Two Calculus Problem Solving Questions.

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The discussion revolves around two calculus problems involving tangent lines to curves. The first problem involves showing a relationship between the slopes of tangents at two points on the curve y = x^3. The second problem requires demonstrating that the sum of the x- and y-intercepts of any tangent to the curve y = 16 - 8sqrt(x) + x equals 16.

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  • Participants explore the derivatives of the given functions and attempt to set up equations based on tangent lines. Some participants question the validity of certain steps taken, particularly in the first problem, and suggest alternative methods for finding the points of intersection and slopes.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problems, offering various approaches and questioning assumptions made in the original poster's attempts. There is a mix of guidance provided, with some participants suggesting how to derive the equations of tangents and find intercepts, while others are clarifying the relationships between points on the curves.

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#1: The tangent at a point P on the curve y = x^3 intersects the curve again at a point Q. Show that the slope of the tangent at Q is four times the slope of the tangent at P.

So far, I found the derivative of y = x^3, which is y' = 3x^2. Now I set these two equal to each other:

X^3 = 3x^2
x^3 - 3x^2 = 0
x^2 (x-3) = 0
so x = 0 or x = 3.

I don't know where to go from here, or if I did this right at all.

#2: Show that the x- and y- intercepts for any tangent to the curve y = 16 - 8sqrt(x) + x have a sum of 16.

First I expanded the equation:

y = 16 - 8sqrt(x) + x
= 16 - 8^(1/2) + x

Then I determined the derivative:

y' = -4x^(-1/2) + 1
= -4/sqrt(x) + 1

Once again, I have no idea what do from here. :(
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
 
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For #1, assume that it's true. That slope at Q is 4 times slope at P.

P(xp, yp)
Q(xp, yp)

mp = 3x²p
mq = 3x²q

and

mq = 4*mp

hence

q = 4x²p

Now write the slope of the line PQ in terms of the coords of P and Q. If you can show that this slope is the same as the slope of the tangent at P, then you will have proved your point. Q.E.D.
 
For #2,

Let P(xp, yp) be a point on the curve.

Get the slope of the tangent at P.

Get the eqn of the tangent at P, in terms of the coords at P.

To get the y-intercept, yi, set x = 0, in the eqn of the tangent, and solve for yi.

To get the x-intercept, xi, set y = 0, in the eqn of the tangent, and solve for xi.

Now add xi and yi and manipulate the resulting expression until it becomes 16.
 
danizh said:
Now I set these two equal to each other:
X^3 = 3x^2
x^3 - 3x^2 = 0
x^2 (x-3) = 0
so x = 0 or x = 3.
I don't know where to go from here, or if I did this right at all.
Why are you setting the two equal each other?
That's not correct.
The tangent line at P will be:
g(x) = f'(xP)(x - xP) + yP
Now you have f(x) = x3
To find point Q, xQ is the solution to the equation:
xQ3 = f'(xP)(xQ - xP) + yP = (3xP2) (xQ - xP) + xP3 = 3xP2xQ - 3xP3 + xP3 = 3xP2xQ - 2xP3.
<=> xQ3 - 3xP2xQ + 2xP3 = 0
Now you have to relate xQ and xP.
Can you go from here?
Note that the slope of the tangent at P is 3xP2, and the slope of the tangent at Q is 3xQ2.
 

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