1 kg of ice at -20°C is mixed with 1kg steam at 200°C......

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The discussion revolves around a thermal equilibrium problem involving the mixing of 1 kg of ice at -20°C with 1 kg of steam at 200°C. Participants explore the heat transfer involved in the phase changes and temperature adjustments of the substances involved.

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate the equilibrium temperature and mixture content by converting steam to water and ice to water, using specific heat and latent heat values. Some participants question the assumptions made in the calculations, particularly regarding the heat available after reaching 0°C.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some providing insights into the heating process of water and the implications of latent heat. There is a recognition that the calculated heat remaining may not lead to the expected equilibrium temperature, prompting further exploration of the problem.

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There is a specific request to avoid using Joules as a unit in the calculations. The discussion also highlights the importance of understanding phase changes and their effects on temperature and heat transfer.

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Moved from a non-homework forum section, so missing the HW template
1 kg of ice at -20°C is mixed with 1kg steam at 200°C. Then find equilibrium temperature and mixture content.

Please DON'T use Joules as unit while answering the question.

Converting 1 kg steam at 200°C to 1 kg water at 0°C requires : (1* 0.5*100) + ( 1*540) + (1* 1 * 100 ) k cal heat = 690 kcal heat.

Converting 1 kg ice at -20°C to 1 kg water at 0°C requires : (0.5 * 1* 20 ) + (1* 80) kcal heat = 90 kcal heat.

Heat released by converting 1kg steam to 1 kg water at °C will be used to provide ice the required heat.

Therefore, heat remaining = 690-90 kcal=600 kcal heat

Now we have 600 kcal heat and 2kg of water at 0°C.

⇒600= 2* 1 * change in temp ⇒ change in temp. = 300 °C

But that is not the answer. The solution in my textbook says that the heat required to ice is less than the heat supplied by steam. But I don't see that happening.
In the method I have used, we convert the substance at relatively higher temperature to the same substance at relatively lower temperature as I have converted steam to water at 0°C here, and then use Q= m*s* ΔT to find the change in temperature. I don't know why but it does not seem to work here and the answer does not seem right to me either. What is wrong in this procedure? Please don't just give solution to the question ; tell me the flaw in my procedure.
 
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Please post in the homework forum :smile:

What happens when you heat up water ? Does the temperature keep going up ?

 
BvU said:
Please post in the homework forum :smile:

What happens when you heat up water ? Does the temperature keep going up ?
I have used the values of latent heat of fusion and vaporisation in my calculations.
 
Please answer the question
 
BvU said:
Please answer the question
When we heat the water the temperature will keep on rising till 100 °C and will stop increasing after that until all the water at 100°C has been converted to steam at 100°C(latent heat of vaporisation). Then the temperature starts rising again.
 
Very good. So from the 600 kcal you have "available", 200 can be used to bring the kettle to the boil. The remainder causes water to evaporate. How much ? Your call !
 
I don't understand why are we using those 200 kcal to boil water. Haven't we already taken into account all that heat while arriving at 600 kcal ?
 
Yes we have. It's left over. Not what you would call a decent equilibrium ...

You calculated how much heat would be left over if the whole lot was brought to liquid water at 0 C. Apparently that isn't the equilibrium temperature !
 
Okay, so 2kg water will keep on increasing temperature until it reaches 100°C. Heat required = 2* 1* 100 kcal = 200 kcal
Now we have 2 kg of water at 100°C but only 400 kcal of heat to convert it into steam. So only some of the water will convert into steam.
So only, (400/540)=0.74 gm water will convert to steam.
Total steam = 0.74 kg
Total water = 2-0.74 kg =1.25 kg
This is the correct answer as well.
I can't thank you enough.
 
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You're welcome.
 

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