11.1 Determine if the polynominal.... is the span of (....,....)

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The discussion revolves around determining whether the polynomial \(3x^2+2x-1\) is in the span of the set \(\{x^2+x-1,x^2-x+2,1\}\). Participants explore the method of comparing coefficients after expressing the polynomial as a linear combination of the basis polynomials, involving both theoretical and mathematical reasoning.

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  • One participant suggests checking for scalars \(c_1\), \(c_2\), and \(c_3\) such that \(c_1(x^2+x-1)+c_2(x^2-x+2)+c_3 \equiv 3x^2+2x-1\).
  • Another participant advises expanding the left-hand side and comparing coefficients to form a system of equations in \(c_1\), \(c_2\), and \(c_3\).
  • A later post provides a specific system of equations derived from comparing coefficients: \(c_1 + c_2 = 3\), \(c_1 - c_2 = 2\), and \(c_1 + 2c_2 + c_3 = -1\).
  • One participant questions the possibility of multiplying through the third equation by -1 to simplify the system.
  • Another participant presents a matrix representation of the system of equations, indicating progress in solving it.

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Participants generally agree on the method of comparing coefficients to determine if the polynomial is in the span, but there is no consensus on the specific steps or the implications of the resulting equations.

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There are unresolved aspects regarding the consistency of the system of equations and the implications of the matrix representation presented by one participant.

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Determine if the polynomial
$3x^2+2x-1$
is the $\textbf{span}\{x^2+x-1,x^2-x+2,1\}$ok from examples it looks like we see if there are scalars such that
$c_1(x^2+x-1)+c_2(x^2-x+2,1)=3x^2+2x-1$so far not sure how this is turned into a simultaneous eq

I did notice that it is common to get over 100 views on these DE problems
so thot it would be good to show sufficient steps
 
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karush said:
$c_1(x^2+x-1)+c_2(x^2-x+2,1)=3x^2+2x-1$

It should be
$$c_1(x^2+x-1)+c_2(x^2-x+2)+c_3\ \equiv\ 3x^2+2x-1$$
Expand out the LHS and compare coefficients. This will give you a system of equations in $c_1,c_2,c_3$. If the system is consistent (i.e. has at least one solution) then the given polynomial is in the given span, otherwise not.
 
https://www.physicsforums.com/attachments/9043

ok here is an example but I don't see how they got the numbers"
 
That solution is for the problem of determining if this polynomial
$$2x^2+x+1$$
is in $\mathrm{Span}\{x^2+x,x^2-1,x+1\}$.

In your OP, you have this:
$$c_1(x^2+x-1)+c_2(x^2-x+2)+c_3\ \equiv\ 3x^2+2x-1$$
so comparing coefficients of $x^2$, $x$ and the constant terms should give you
$$\begin{array}{rcrcrcr}c_1 & +&c_2 && &=& 3 \\ c_1 &-&c_2 && &=& 2 \\ c_1 &+&2c_2 &+&c_3 &=& -1\end{array}.$$
 
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$c_1(x^2+x-1)+c_2(x^2-x+2)+c_3\ \equiv\ 3x^2+2x-1$ok I got ...\begin{array}{rcrcrcr}c_1 & +&c_2 && &=& 3 \\ c_1 &-&c_2 && &=& 2 \\ -c_1 &+&2c_2 &+&c_3 &=& -1\end{array}

could we multiply thru the $R_3$ with -1

well anyway got this ...

$\left[ \begin{array}{ccc|c} 1 & 0 & 0 & \frac{5}{2} \\ 0 & 1 & 0 & \frac{1}{2} \\ 0 & 0 & 1 & - \frac{9}{2} \end{array} \right]$
 
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