16-Year-Old Looking for Math/Physics Job

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A 16-year-old high school student seeks a job in math or physics to support their family, expressing frustration over their qualifications despite self-taught knowledge in calculus and physics concepts. The discussion highlights the rarity of internships in these fields for high school students, with suggestions to explore opportunities at local manufacturers or power plants. Critics emphasize the importance of formal education and foundational knowledge in physics, cautioning against overestimating personal competency. The conversation also touches on the practicality of pursuing jobs in more accessible fields like information technology, which may offer better financial stability. Ultimately, the student is encouraged to focus on building their skills through formal education while exploring available job options.
  • #31
benk99nenm312 said:
I think you've completely lost it. What gives you this impression of me? Have you never met somone who wanted a better job? I'm shocked at how childish a PF mentor is acting. Critisizing me like that... you honestly should look at your last post here. I don't want to be your enemy. I don't want to be your vision of an evil child. Clearly, you have the wrong impression of me.



Clearly, you aren't aware of your arrogant attitude you are portraying with the posts you've made.


You seriously need to learn how to be more humble and accept the fact that you don't know nearly as much as you think you do.
 
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  • #32
benk99nenm312 said:
I have no option at the time being to take any classes. Next year, I have my first physics class. I have no other way to learn.

I agree with you on the knowledge part. What I have noticed is that sometimes the current knowledge is full of fallacies. I have not met one person on this Earth that can tell me the difference between a field and an ether. We have some fancy math in QFT that gives us more meaning to a field, but what is a field? What is it comprised of? For that matter, particles are described as excitation in these fields according to QFT, so do we really know what a partcle is?

The current understanding of physics is poor.
I don't understand how some can justify understanding it. To get a better understanding requires thinking outside the box, and therefore, beyond the now. That is all I am doing.


Excuse me, but how exactly do you justify this statement?


I suppose the underlying physics that we use in day to day life, like the thermodynamic properties/cycles that go into operating your car, flying the airplane, and the construction of all the goods you use, are done completely on accident?
 
  • #33
The current understanding of physics is poor.
If he study physics seriously, one day he'll realize he'll never know "the current understand of physics" because it is simply too vast and too deep.
I've learned many things on PF, one is that learning about physics is totally different from learning physics.
 
  • #34
aerospaceut10 said:
Excuse me, but how exactly do you justify this statement?


I suppose the underlying physics that we use in day to day life, like the thermodynamic properties/cycles that go into operating your car, flying the airplane, and the construction of all the goods you use, are done completely on accident?

When I posted that quote, I was referring to the deeper physics. Perturbation theory is a great example. The concept of virtual particles is hazy, because Perturbation theory describes virtual particles in mathematical expansions, and then I have seen many people rebel the notion of these particles' existence. Some have said that there is no difference between virtual and real particles, some have said that virtual particles are just math (the last one is more common). If you don't believe that, look through some threads here.

I know I can be arrogant sometimes, so, I'm sorry. In whatever defense you will allow me to have, I was somehow being attacked by 2-3 different people when I posted all of that, and I don't respond politely under pressure.
 
  • #35
benk99nenm312 said:
I know I can be arrogant sometimes, so, I'm sorry. In whatever defense you will allow me to have, I was somehow being attacked by 2-3 different people when I posted all of that, and I don't respond politely under pressure.
Keep working at what you want to learn, and realize that what you have to do to earn money right now is not going to be applicable. We are heading into warm weather, and people will want to take vacations. Because of that, people doing blue-collar work will need to be replaced at least temporarily. I suggest that you contact local grocery stores, and ask for summer employment. There is nothing glamorous about stocking shelves and freezers, but it is work that has to be done, reliably with as little supervision as possible. If you are good at it, you can probably work all summer long and earn a decent wage. If you can't do a good job, you are right back where you are now.

When I was in engineering school, I worked summers as a vacation replacement in a veneer mill. I started out doing some pretty menial stuff, and a year or so later, I was lead-operator (all summer long) on a pretty technical finishing line. No line of work is beneath me, and I hope that you'll take that attitude too. Honest labor that is fairly compensated is a good mark on anybody's resume.
 
  • #36
As a 16 year old with few to zero qualifications, I would estimate better employment opportunities being slim. Is there a particular reason you need a better job? I think you mentioned family support.

(About the sub-argument that developed, the OP does come off as rather arrogant, and you should understand that you enrage people because you claim to know everything about something they/we spend years studying in a formal manner.)
 
  • #37
Varnick said:
As a 16 year old with few to zero qualifications, I would estimate better employment opportunities being slim. Is there a particular reason you need a better job? I think you mentioned family support.

(About the sub-argument that developed, the OP does come off as rather arrogant, and you should understand that you enrage people because you claim to know everything about something they/we spend years studying in a formal manner.)

That's where I think the misconceptions started. I never claimed to know everything. I claim to know a little, but I never said I know it all.

As to why, yes, I need money for the family. Some started talking about me as if I thought I was above blue collar work. I work at a grocery store. Yet another misconception.

As I read my posts through again, I'm finding out that I came across as arrogant, but I never said half the things people claim I said in my posts. I don't know how they got the impression that I was a spoiled rich kid who thinks blue collar is below me. I do blue collar work for a living right now. I think some were just anxious to state their opinion, and they forgot to listen to mine.
 
  • #38
learn programming, that's the best bet you'll have at 16
 
  • #39
benk99nenm312 said:
That's where I think the misconceptions started. I never claimed to know everything. I claim to know a little, but I never said I know it all.

As to why, yes, I need money for the family. Some started talking about me as if I thought I was above blue collar work. I work at a grocery store. Yet another misconception.

As I read my posts through again, I'm finding out that I came across as arrogant, but I never said half the things people claim I said in my posts. I don't know how they got the impression that I was a spoiled rich kid who thinks blue collar is below me. I do blue collar work for a living right now. I think some were just anxious to state their opinion, and they forgot to listen to mine.

Your exact words were "..but I'm not a blue collar person"- that's how I got the impression you think blue collar work is below you, and that is a terrible mentality to have.

My suggestion- get some experience with electronics and PC repair, try to land a job doing something along those lines. It's a great experience for someone your age, and the skills will stay with you throughout your career/life.
 
  • #40
turbo-1 said:
I suggest that you contact local grocery stores, and ask for summer employment.

The OP is already working at a grocery store. He objects to it as "[he is] not a blue collar person."
 
  • #41
benk99nenm312 said:
Thanks for your, uh, how should I put this 'friendly advice'. You sound a lot like a professor I talked to once. Everyone tells me the same thing.

If everyone is telling you the same thing, have you considered the possibility that they are correct?
 
  • #42
Hello benk,we have employment agencies in the U.K. and I am assuming you have something similar in the U.S.I suggest that you find out what they have to offer and get on their books.As a youngster I had a wide variety of temporary jobs but I found the outside jobs to be the most satisfying.With your limited experience you may be ble to land jobs such as a builders labourer or a gardeners assistant.I feel fairly sure you will enjoy them.Personally I could not stand shop work,I worked in a wet fish shop but left after one day,actually I was sacked.
 
  • #43
Vanadium 50 said:
The OP is already working at a grocery store. He objects to it as "[he is] not a blue collar person."

The OP's original wording could've been clearer, but it was clear that they came here looking for job suggestions. If they were so arrogant, they wouldn't be asking for help.

chroot said:
Let's be honest... you're 16 and don't really know much math or physics at all. If you don't know the math behind QM and GR, then you don't know QM and GR... so your attempt at a unified theory is almost guaranteed to be wrong. If I were you I'd drop the bravado and begin concentrating on what you don't know, rather than what you do.

Power plants, science museums, etc. might be able to offer you an interesting job, but really, there aren't many jobs in science and math even for people with doctoral degrees in the subjects!

- Warren


This post seemed to start the ensuing arguments, in my opinion.
 
  • #44
benk99nenm312 said:
That's where I think the misconceptions started. I never claimed to know everything. I claim to know a little, but I never said I know it all.

As to why, yes, I need money for the family. Some started talking about me as if I thought I was above blue collar work. I work at a grocery store. Yet another misconception.

As I read my posts through again, I'm finding out that I came across as arrogant, but I never said half the things people claim I said in my posts. I don't know how they got the impression that I was a spoiled rich kid who thinks blue collar is below me. I do blue collar work for a living right now. I think some were just anxious to state their opinion, and they forgot to listen to mine.
Well, perhaps one was not explicit about knowing everything, but one made some bold, or perhaps brazen assertions, that seem to imply knowing more than one actually does, and that is to what many of those who are learned were reacting.

From the first two posts:
benk99nenm312 said:
I'm a 16 year old high school student, and I really need money (for family support). I've been wondering, is there any kind of job where I could work in the area of math or physics? (By the way, I assure you I'd be qualified.) I'm already pulling a job at Hy-Vee, but I'm not a blue collar person. Is there some sort of internship that I'm missing, or am I pretty much doomed?

This is sad, because here I have to tell you that I'm in Honors Pre-Calculus, and I have not yet had a physics class. I know that doesn't look good on a transcript, the problem is that I have taught myself Calculus and I know quite a lot of physics. I have a unification theory that has been looked at by a few professors from a couple colleges nearby, and they say it is quote, "plausible." I know QM and Relativity very well conceptually, but the math of both is still a bit beyond me.
A lot of knowledge, understanding and proficiency is necessary to develop a unification theory, assuming one is referring to the common usage meaning GUT or ToE. However there is a self-contradiction in "I know QM and Relativity very well conceptually, but the math of both is still a bit beyond me." and "I have a unification theory that has been looked at by a few professors from a couple colleges nearby, and they say it is quote, "plausible."

Rather than state that one is not a "blue collar person", it would have been better and more appropriate to say "I aspire to be more than a blue collar worker". When I was 16, I began taking Calculus and Physics during my senior year of high school. I was familiar with the concepts of QM and SR, but I was certainly aware that there was so much more to learn.

At 16, I worked at a gardening center loading 100 lb bags of dirt, stone and sand. The bags of manure were lighter. I heaved 50 - 70 lb bags of fertilizer and herbicides. I carried sod, potted plants, and trees and loaded peoples cars. I loved it! I started that during the summer of my junior year and worked on weekends and some evenings during the school year.

The second job I had during high school was at a grocery store - first sacking groceries, then stocking the dairy case. Living at home (parents'), I saved the money to pay for school.

During my first years at university, I took a summer job on campus as a plumber's helper, and that lead to a part time job during the school year. I did mechanical maintenance and janitorial work as well. And in the second year, I worked in the food service department, which paid my room and board for the year. I was studying physics at the time. I learned a lot of practical things, including plumbing and electrical work, which I still use today as a home owner.

After a few years of studying physics, I switched majors (to Nuc Eng) and university. At that time, I took a job as a iron worker building metal buildings and large industrial structures. That was a blast too! I enjoyed the heavy labor and I could earn several $thousand over a summer which payed for my school year and living expenses.

When I started grad school, I received teaching and research assistantships. During my MS program, I also worked full-time (40 hrs/wk) for the local city water department as a system operator, which allowed me time (evenings or graveyard) to do homework and grade papers.

At 16, one has start at the bottom. It's like weightlifting, one starts with 10 or 15 pounds in each hand, and slowly works up to 50, 60, . . . lbs per hand. A novice does not go and lift 200 lbs overhead the first time.
 
  • #45
What I meant by "I'm not a blue collar person," is that I'm not good at it.:smile:
I don't think it's below me, it's just that I would rather aspire to higher ranking jobs.

I see your point about the contradictions I've made with the unification theory and knowledge of physics. I know it seems rediculous. I would rather avoid discussion on that. I don't want to spend time arguing over something I can't even give you the details of.

Thanks for the advice on what jobs I should look for. As an attempt to find something closer to my hobbies, does anyone know of how you could sell music? I compose piano in my spare time.
 
  • #46
benk99nenm312 said:
What I meant by "I'm not a blue collar person," is that I'm not good at it.:smile:
I don't think it's below me, it's just that I would rather aspire to higher ranking jobs.

I see your point about the contradictions I've made with the unification theory and knowledge of physics. I know it seems rediculous. I would rather avoid discussion on that. I don't want to spend time arguing over something I can't even give you the details of.

Thanks for the advice on what jobs I should look for. As an attempt to find something closer to my hobbies, does anyone know of how you could sell music? I compose piano in my spare time.

You could record it, and then sell the CDs either locally, or on the internet (eBay, Amazon, etc.). I don't know how sucessful that will be though.
 
  • #47
benk99nenm312 said:
What I meant by "I'm not a blue collar person," is that I'm not good at it.:smile:
I don't think it's below me, it's just that I would rather aspire to higher ranking jobs.

I see your point about the contradictions I've made with the unification theory and knowledge of physics. I know it seems rediculous. I would rather avoid discussion on that. I don't want to spend time arguing over something I can't even give you the details of.

Thanks for the advice on what jobs I should look for. As an attempt to find something closer to my hobbies, does anyone know of how you could sell music? I compose piano in my spare time.
For music, one would have to audition, or make a tape/CD. I knew an amateur piano player who made his own demo tapes. He gave me couple, which were quite good. Some churches pay for people to play piano or organ, or hotels/bars allow piano players to play for tips.

I wasn't good at sacking groceries, but with advice from others, I improved. Skills must be learned - whether its blue collar work or physics or math. I find manual labor rather relaxing and meditative or contemplative, and the exercise is good for the mind.
 
  • #48
Wellesley said:
You could record it, and then sell the CDs either locally, or on the internet (eBay, Amazon, etc.). I don't know how sucessful that will be though.

Do you know if it has to be published through some-one, or some business? That would be the toughest part, I think.
 
  • #49
benk99nenm312 said:
Do you know if it has to be published through some-one, or some business? That would be the toughest part, I think.

Amazon requires a publisher/middle man. As far as I can tell, eBay does not. I'm sure there are other sites out there that are better than these two, you just have to look.
 
  • #50
benk99nenm312 said:
I'm a 16 year old high school student, and I really need money (for family support). I've been wondering, is there any kind of job where I could work in the area of math or physics? (By the way, I assure you I'd be qualified.) I'm already pulling a job at Hy-Vee, but I'm not a blue collar person. Is there some sort of internship that I'm missing, or am I pretty much doomed?

Thanks in advance.

Hey Kid,
I'd encourage you to be optimistic. I had a high school student working for me for several months - and the only reason why he's not getting more of my money is because he had to prepare for exams. I'd encourage you to check:

odesk.com (set a really LOW hourly rate - like say $4 - initially; then, once you get a track record, you can charge more)

rentacoder.com

getafreelancer.com

If you can write well, try the buy/sell/trade section at wickedfire.com. You'll have to give free samples of your work but after a while - if you are good - you can build up a lucrative client base. As an example, I had a 19 year old Romanian kid doing work for me for a while. His impetus for working was that he needed to earn money to pay for his mother's operation in Vienna. Now the guy's making close to 5 figures per month. When I first hired him, he was writing for about $.02/word. As you can imagine, $10,000+ for a Romanian teenager without a college degree can create a standard of living equal to $30-$50,000/month in the USA (depending of course on the fact that you are not in DC, LA, Boston, San Fran, etc).

If you have an affinity for the quantitative, try offering some kind of excel-based service. Also, don't buy all this talk about "boo hoo, there's a recession, nobody is spending money, blah blah blah". That's utter balderdash. Now's the best time in the past 70+ years to make money. So much so it causes one to sweat because you realize in a short time everyone else will awaken to the reality and all that easy cash will be gone...

You can make money for yourself online if money is what you require. However, you will need to learn how to package your skills/core competencies/talents, in such a way that it can be effectively monetized; this means learning and speaking the language of people who have the money and are willing to spend it. So you can either become an "independent wage earner" and sell your services on the open market vs. an employer (i.e. check those sites above); or you can set upon the task of owning some of the factors of production, i.e. your own business. Both choices carry a distinct level of uncertainty/risk and reward/$$$. I'm not doing anymore hiring at the moment - else I'd tell you to send me your CV.

Good Luck
 
  • #51
swat4life said:
Hey Kid,
I'd encourage you to be optimistic. I had a high school student working for me for several months - and the only reason why he's not getting more of my money is because he had to prepare for exams. I'd encourage you to check:

odesk.com (set a really LOW hourly rate - like say $4 - initially; then, once you get a track record, you can charge more)

rentacoder.com

getafreelancer.com

If you can write well, try the buy/sell/trade section at wickedfire.com. You'll have to give free samples of your work but after a while - if you are good - you can build up a lucrative client base. As an example, I had a 19 year old Romanian kid doing work for me for a while. His impetus for working was that he needed to earn money to pay for his mother's operation in Vienna. Now the guy's making close to 5 figures per month. When I first hired him, he was writing for about $.02/word. As you can imagine, $10,000+ for a Romanian teenager without a college degree can create a standard of living equal to $30-$50,000/month in the USA (depending of course on the fact that you are not in DC, LA, Boston, San Fran, etc).

If you have an affinity for the quantitative, try offering some kind of excel-based service. Also, don't buy all this talk about "boo hoo, there's a recession, nobody is spending money, blah blah blah". That's utter balderdash. Now's the best time in the past 70+ years to make money. So much so it causes one to sweat because you realize in a short time everyone else will awaken to the reality and all that easy cash will be gone...

You can make money for yourself online if money is what you require. However, you will need to learn how to package your skills/core competencies/talents, in such a way that it can be effectively monetized; this means learning and speaking the language of people who have the money and are willing to spend it. So you can either become an "independent wage earner" and sell your services on the open market vs. an employer (i.e. check those sites above); or you can set upon the task of owning some of the factors of production, i.e. your own business. Both choices carry a distinct level of uncertainty/risk and reward/$$$. I'm not doing anymore hiring at the moment - else I'd tell you to send me your CV.

Good Luck

Thank you very much.:smile:
 
  • #52
I would also look into tutoring your fellow high school students. You can charge 10-12 dollars an hour, much cheaper than tutoring from a physics teacher or a physics grad student.

I don't want to pick on the original poster, but you mentioned a theory on QM and GR, you list that in your About Me. I really want to stress that a theory has to make predictions that are testable against experimental data. For this reason, I like many others do not consider string theory a true "theory" as it does not make any predictions that are testable or that are falsifiable.
 
  • #53
When I was the age of the OP, I worked part-time in fall and spring and full-time all summer maintaining a large old cemetery. Not too glamorous, but the pay was good and I got to spend a lot of time outdoors. There's nothing wrong with manual labor.
 
  • #54
Note: tutoring other students might be a good option, BUT there are income taxes to consider, plus self-employment taxes if you want to stay legal. I've been paying into SS since I was about 14.
 
  • #55
I was with chroot from the beginning, and still am.

I'm doing my Master's right now and if I desperately needed a job, I would go for anything. Work at a grocery store and work at finding a better job later.

When you're desparate for a job, it's not the time to be picky at what kind of job you should/want to do. You suck it up and you do it.

My dad would probably say... Do it! Stop being a baby!

I would probably say to my kid... SHUT THE **** UP! Get to work!

I yelled at many of my friends for not working after graduation. I yelled at them to work anywhere until they get that dream job they want. Those who listened to me thank me, those that didn't, now regret it.
 
  • #56
Geometrick said:
I would also look into tutoring your fellow high school students. You can charge 10-12 dollars an hour, much cheaper than tutoring from a physics teacher or a physics grad student.

I don't want to pick on the original poster, but you mentioned a theory on QM and GR, you list that in your About Me. I really want to stress that a theory has to make predictions that are testable against experimental data. For this reason, I like many others do not consider string theory a true "theory" as it does not make any predictions that are testable or that are falsifiable.

I hadn't thought about tutoring before. That's a good idea.

I agree with you. I don't think string theory is a theory either, just a speculation. Incase you're wondering, my theory does make predictions, but the concept of testing these predictions requires money and big machines. I have neither of these, the theory is not complete, and no one will listen anyway. :smile:
 
  • #57
I suggest you learn LaTeX, a program you use to author math and physics papers and type up your work. Submit it on arXiv or just put it out there somewhere on the internet. Do you copyright such things? I'm not sure how this works, but it's good to get your ideas out there.
 
  • #58
benk99nenm312 said:
Thank you very much.:smile:

Not a problem. Also kid, permit me to be brutally honest here. If you have questions about physics, you go to a physics forum. If you want to learn how to make money, you go to the right place (see some of the links I posted, esp. wickedfire.com).

I don't think this is the ideal venue to get advice about how to monetize your skills and generate income (preferably passive income since you are still in school and you need time to study...). If you want to learn how to make money the first thing you you need are clearly defined goals. "Make extra money" is not a clearly defined goal. Let me give you an example of a clearly defined goal:

"I want to make $120,000+ per year in semi-passive, pre-tax income working only an extra 3 hours a day/90 hours a month. This means I need to generate $328.76/day in revenue".

or

"I want to earn $1,500/month is passive income which means I need to earn approx. $50/day. This means I have to sell 1 item per day at $50 or 15 items per day at $10...etc, etc.".

You wouldn't say "I need to get out more" then just jump in your car and drive 300 miles would you?!

Well the same goes for making money. You need first a clearly defined destination. Secondly, you need a roadmap (preferably one that has been used before successfuly). I value education so I think it would be best for you to find a way to generate income in as passive a way as possible so that you can have time to study. Also, you don't want to miss out on being a kid for something as infinitely-available as money. And trust me, it IS available all around you. However, there is a high probability that the skills that enabled you to do well in your physics classes are not the ones best suited to make you money -easily, effortlessly and abundantly. I'm not telling you to NOT consider tutoring. However, why in the world would you spend 3 or 4 hours a day tutoring kids when you could be making money in your sleep? You could set up an infrastructure for yourself - NOW - that could assist you in saving for college, helping your parents, buying all the geeky, nerdy physics books you want (lol), donating to charity or whatever else makes your pocket protector jump with glee...

The very fact that you started this thread means you are have extra-ordinary motivation and that you are focused - GREAT! However, it would be quite a waste if you didn't use your intelligence in a manner that gives you the highest payout - for the least physical effort. So get moving! Sit yourself down and figure out how much money you want to earn per month. Then figure out how many hours you have to work. With those inputs, devise a strategy that enables you to meet your goals. For example, let's say you have a physics study guide - great! Create a pdf ebook. Then, go to hostgator.com and for $9.95/month sign up for hosting. Create a website using Wordpress (a retard could do this so I am sure you can). Next, you need some traffic. Does your high school have a school newspaper? See how much it costs to put an ad in (if you can't afford that, go to the person who runs it and donate some time to get your ad in). Alternatively, make some old fashioned fliers and put them up around school.

Direct people to your website. If you have a 1-2% conversion rate, that means that if you get 300 visitors/day to your site, you get $29.85 - $59.7/day in revenues. There's your $1,500/month right there! This can be accomplished by summertime if you purpose yourself to ACT. Theories are nice for theoretic physics; if you want to get paid it requires something all together different...

Here's another idea -it's called "labor market arbitrage".

Step 1: find a bunch of dumb dumb kids in your school who need help
Step 2: offer some kind of academic assistance service, package or whatever
Step 3: go to odesk.com and find some smart people in the Philippines, or India or [insert name of Asian country with well trained populace here]
Step 4: you charge $10 or so an hour for your services. Once you get the clients, you pay people from (Step 3) $3 or less to do the work.
Step 5: you pocket the difference. Not only do you not have to exchange your time for money (the quickest way to stress and broke-dom if ever there was one); additionally you have time to study. This means sending off for info on schools, studying more, etc.

So do it now kid. I've told you how to make money/help your parents AND study the science you love AND have time to be a kid. If you follow the advice you can have your quantum cake and eat it too ;)

So don't wait - take action.

Good Luck. And, remember what Goethe said "boldness has genius power and magic in it";- consider the words of the rapper Master P as well "If it doesn't make money, it doesn't make sense!"

I mentor kids all the time and very few take action. I hope you're one that does...
 
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  • #59
swat4life said:
Not a problem. Also kid, permit me to be brutally honest here. If you have questions about physics, you go to a physics forum. If you want to learn how to make money, you go to the right place (see some of the links I posted, esp. wickedfire.com).

I don't think this is the ideal venue to get advice about how to monetize your skills and generate income (preferably passive income since you are still in school and you need time to study...). If you want to learn how to make money the first thing you you need are clearly defined goals. "Make extra money" is not a clearly defined goal. Let me give you an example of a clearly defined goal:

"I want to make $120,000+ per year in semi-passive, pre-tax income working only an extra 3 hours a day/90 hours a month. This means I need to generate $328.76/day in revenue".

or

"I want to earn $1,500/month is passive income which means I need to earn approx. $50/day. This means I have to sell 1 item per day at $50 or 15 items per day at $10...etc, etc.".

You wouldn't say "I need to get out more" then just jump in your car and drive 300 miles would you?!

Well the same goes for making money. You need first a clearly defined destination. Secondly, you need a roadmap (preferably one that has been used before successfuly). I value education so I think it would be best for you to find a way to generate income in as passive a way as possible so that you can have time to study. Also, you don't want to miss out on being a kid for something as infinitely-available as money. And trust me, it IS available all around you. However, there is a high probability that the skills that enabled you to do well in your physics classes are not the ones best suited to make you money -easily, effortlessly and abundantly. I'm not telling you to NOT consider tutoring. However, why in the world would you spend 3 or 4 hours a day tutoring kids when you could be making money in your sleep? You could set up an infrastructure for yourself - NOW - that could assist you in saving for college, helping your parents, buying all the geeky, nerdy physics books you want (lol), donating to charity or whatever else makes your pocket protector jump with glee...

The very fact that you started this thread means you are have extra-ordinary motivation and that you are focused - GREAT! However, it would be quite a waste if you didn't use your intelligence in a manner that gives you the highest payout - for the least physical effort. So get moving! Sit yourself down and figure out how much money you want to earn per month. Then figure out how many hours you have to work. With those inputs, devise a strategy that enables you to meet your goals. For example, let's say you have a physics study guide - great! Create a pdf ebook. Then, go to hostgator.com and for $9.95/month sign up for hosting. Create a website using Wordpress (a retard could do this so I am sure you can). Next, you need some traffic. Does your high school have a school newspaper? See how much it costs to put an ad in (if you can't afford that, go to the person who runs it and donate some time to get your ad in). Alternatively, make some old fashioned fliers and put them up around school.

Direct people to your website. If you have a 1-2% conversion rate, that means that if you get 300 visitors/day to your site, you get $29.85 - $59.7/day in revenues. There's your $1,500/month right there! This can be accomplished by summertime if you purpose yourself to ACT. Theories are nice for theoretic physics; if you want to get paid it requires something all together different...

Here's another idea -it's called "labor market arbitrage".

Step 1: find a bunch of dumb dumb kids in your school who need help
Step 2: offer some kind of academic assistance service, package or whatever
Step 3: go to odesk.com and find some smart people in the Philippines, or India or [insert name of Asian country with well trained populace here]
Step 4: you charge $10 or so an hour for your services. Once you get the clients, you pay people from (Step 3) $3 or less to do the work.
Step 5: you pocket the difference. Not only do you not have to exchange your time for money (the quickest way to stress and broke-dom if ever there was one); additionally you have time to study. This means sending off for info on schools, studying more, etc.

So do it now kid. I've told you how to make money/help your parents AND study the science you love AND have time to be a kid. If you follow the advice you can have your quantum cake and eat it too ;)

So don't wait - take action.

Good Luck. And, remember what Goethe said "boldness has genius power and magic in it";- consider the words of the rapper Master P as well "If it doesn't make money, it doesn't make sense!"

I mentor kids all the time and very few take action. I hope you're one that does...

I like the idea of creating a physics study guide. That's inventive. If tutoring, I would probably like to actually tutor the kids myself. I would try teaching a friend something, and then I would see if they think I am a good enough teacher to tutor. Being a middle-man to Indian tutoring is cool, but I would rather not put the communication problems on the students I arrange to be tutored.

I'm going to go eat some 'quantum cake.' :smile:
 
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benk99nenm312 said:
If tutoring, I would probably like to actually tutor the kids myself. I would try teaching a friend something, and then I would see if they think I am a good enough teacher to tutor.

Just remember that it may require some time before you become really good at tutoring. Just stick with it, even if it's rough at first.
 

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