2 masses, a massive pulley and an inclined surface

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The discussion focuses on a physics problem involving two masses, a massive pulley, and an inclined surface with equal coefficients of friction (μ=μs=μk). The participants derive equations of motion using Newton's second law and torque principles, specifically the moment of inertia for a massive disk, represented as I_{cen} = 1/2 * mr^2. The final acceleration of the system is determined to be a = (2/7)(2 - sin(θ) - μcos(θ))g, correcting earlier attempts that included unnecessary tension variables T1 and T2.

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Homework Statement


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[/B]A mass m lies on an inclined surface with equal coefficients of friction μ=μsk. the pulley has also mass m and the weight is 2m. what is the velocity after it has descended distance h and during how much time.

Homework Equations


Moment of inertia of a massive disk: ##I_{cen}=\frac{1}{2}mr^2##
Torque and angular acceleration: ##M=I\alpha##

The Attempt at a Solution


$$\Sigma F=ma:~~\left\{\begin{array}{l} 2mg-T_1=2ma \\ T_2-mg\sin\theta-mg\mu\cos\theta=ma \end{array}\right.$$
$$\rightarrow~T_1=\frac{2}{3}(1+\sin\theta+\mu\cos\theta)mg$$
$$T_2=\frac{mg}{9}(4+7\sin\theta+7\mu\cos\theta)$$
$$M=I\alpha:~~a=\frac{2}{m}(T_1-T_2)=...=\frac{2g}{3}\left( \frac{2}{3}-\frac{1}{3}\sin\theta-\frac{\mu}{3}\cos\theta \right)$$
 
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Well done - I have not checked the algebra but that looks like a good approach to take.
Is there a question in all that?
 
Thank you Simon, i am not sure about my answer, that is why i posted. thank you
 
Karol said:
$$M=I\alpha:~~a=\frac{2}{m}(T_1-T_2)=...=\frac{2g}{3}\left( \frac{2}{3}-\frac{1}{3}\sin\theta-\frac{\mu}{3}\cos\theta \right)$$
I got different result. T1 and T2 are not needed. Eliminate them by adding the force equations and substituting T1-T2 from the torque equation.
 
Looks like you divided by 3 twice over.
 
ehild said:
I got different result. T1 and T2 are not needed. Eliminate them by adding the force equations and substituting T1-T2 from the torque equation.
$$\left\{\begin{array}{l} (\rm 1)~2mg-T_1=2ma \\ (\rm 2)~T_2-mg\sin\theta-mg\mu\cos\theta=ma \end{array}\right.$$
$$(\rm 1)+(\rm 2),~T_2-T_1=-\frac{1}{2}ma:~~a=\frac{2}{7}(2-\sin\theta-\mu\cos\theta)g$$
 
Karol said:
$$\left\{\begin{array}{l} (\rm 1)~2mg-T_1=2ma \\ (\rm 2)~T_2-mg\sin\theta-mg\mu\cos\theta=ma \end{array}\right.$$
$$(\rm 1)+(\rm 2),~T_2-T_1=-\frac{1}{2}ma:~~a=\frac{2}{7}(2-\sin\theta-\mu\cos\theta)g$$
Correct!
 
Thanks Ehild, Simon and Haruspex
 

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