2 masses, a massive pulley and an inclined surface

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The problem involves two masses, a massive pulley, and an inclined surface, focusing on the dynamics of the system, including forces, torques, and motion. The original poster seeks to determine the velocity after a descent and the time taken, given specific parameters such as mass and coefficients of friction.

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  • Participants discuss the application of force equations and torque to analyze the system's motion. There are attempts to derive expressions for acceleration and tension in the system, with some participants questioning the necessity of certain variables in their calculations.

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Some participants have provided feedback on the approaches taken, with suggestions to simplify the equations by eliminating tensions. There is acknowledgment of differing results among participants, indicating an ongoing exploration of the problem without a clear consensus on the correct approach.

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[/B]A mass m lies on an inclined surface with equal coefficients of friction μ=μsk. the pulley has also mass m and the weight is 2m. what is the velocity after it has descended distance h and during how much time.

Homework Equations


Moment of inertia of a massive disk: ##I_{cen}=\frac{1}{2}mr^2##
Torque and angular acceleration: ##M=I\alpha##

The Attempt at a Solution


$$\Sigma F=ma:~~\left\{\begin{array}{l} 2mg-T_1=2ma \\ T_2-mg\sin\theta-mg\mu\cos\theta=ma \end{array}\right.$$
$$\rightarrow~T_1=\frac{2}{3}(1+\sin\theta+\mu\cos\theta)mg$$
$$T_2=\frac{mg}{9}(4+7\sin\theta+7\mu\cos\theta)$$
$$M=I\alpha:~~a=\frac{2}{m}(T_1-T_2)=...=\frac{2g}{3}\left( \frac{2}{3}-\frac{1}{3}\sin\theta-\frac{\mu}{3}\cos\theta \right)$$
 
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Well done - I have not checked the algebra but that looks like a good approach to take.
Is there a question in all that?
 
Thank you Simon, i am not sure about my answer, that is why i posted. thank you
 
Karol said:
$$M=I\alpha:~~a=\frac{2}{m}(T_1-T_2)=...=\frac{2g}{3}\left( \frac{2}{3}-\frac{1}{3}\sin\theta-\frac{\mu}{3}\cos\theta \right)$$
I got different result. T1 and T2 are not needed. Eliminate them by adding the force equations and substituting T1-T2 from the torque equation.
 
Looks like you divided by 3 twice over.
 
ehild said:
I got different result. T1 and T2 are not needed. Eliminate them by adding the force equations and substituting T1-T2 from the torque equation.
$$\left\{\begin{array}{l} (\rm 1)~2mg-T_1=2ma \\ (\rm 2)~T_2-mg\sin\theta-mg\mu\cos\theta=ma \end{array}\right.$$
$$(\rm 1)+(\rm 2),~T_2-T_1=-\frac{1}{2}ma:~~a=\frac{2}{7}(2-\sin\theta-\mu\cos\theta)g$$
 
Karol said:
$$\left\{\begin{array}{l} (\rm 1)~2mg-T_1=2ma \\ (\rm 2)~T_2-mg\sin\theta-mg\mu\cos\theta=ma \end{array}\right.$$
$$(\rm 1)+(\rm 2),~T_2-T_1=-\frac{1}{2}ma:~~a=\frac{2}{7}(2-\sin\theta-\mu\cos\theta)g$$
Correct!
 
Thanks Ehild, Simon and Haruspex
 

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