2 problems conserning magnetic fields and units.

Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around two problems related to magnetic fields and the units involved, particularly focusing on the mass of the proton and its conversion to kilograms, as well as the interpretation of magnetic field components in a specific coordinate system.

Discussion Character

  • Mixed

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to solve for velocity and radius using kinetic energy and force equations but expresses uncertainty about converting the mass of the proton from atomic mass units to kilograms. They also question the correct representation of the vertical component of the magnetic field.
  • Some participants provide the mass of the proton and discuss the implications of using external sources during exams, emphasizing the need to memorize certain constants.
  • Others suggest considering the full vertical component of the magnetic field and the need for it to be perpendicular to the wire, while questioning the rationale behind this requirement.
  • There is a discussion about the nature of magnetic poles and their geographical implications, as well as the potential for constants to be provided during exams.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the magnetic field components and the implications of exam conditions on problem-solving. Some guidance has been offered regarding the components of the magnetic field, but no consensus has been reached on the specific setup or assumptions.

Contextual Notes

Participants note constraints related to exam rules, such as the prohibition of calculators and reliance on memorized constants, which may affect their problem-solving approaches.

Kruum
Messages
217
Reaction score
0

Homework Statement



http://www.aijaa.com/img/b/00125/3627010.jpg

http://www.aijaa.com/img/b/00758/3627011.jpg

Homework Equations



E_k=\frac{1}{2}mv^2
\vec{F}=m\frac{\vec{v}^2}{r}
\vec{F}=q\vec{v} \times \vec{B}
\frac{v}{r}=\frac{2\pi}{T}=\omega

The Attempt at a Solution



The only difficulty in problem 2 is the unit of the mass of the proton. I can't use any info that's not given in the problem or I don't know by heart. I know the mass of the proton is about 1u, but I don't know how to convert it to kg. First I solve E_k for v=\sqrt{\frac{2E_k}{m} and then by setting the forces equal I get r=\frac{mv}{qB}. Now here's where I need kg instead of u - or am I missing something.

The thing that gets me in number 5, is the way the magnetic field is given. If we set the Earth's surface along the xy-plane so that the positive y-axis points towards north and the positive x-axis towards east. Then \vec{B_h}=18\mu T\vec{j}. But is \vec{B_v}=-54\mu T\vec{j}? I think in that case they would have given the magnetic field as "B=36\mu T to south". So they only option left is \vec{B_v}=-54\mu T\vec{k}. Which one is it and why? From here the problem is pretty straight forward: I just need to find the cross product of the vectors and calculate its length.

I'm sorry for the non-native English, but ask if you can't understand something I've written.

Edit: Some typos...
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Physics news on Phys.org
The mass of a proton is 1.67 x 10^-27 kg.
You can find things like that in Wikipedia or in the back of a physics text.

Many people do not realize that there is an "S" pole up in northern Canada and an "N" in Antarctica! You can check - a compass that points north will also point toward the S end of a magnet. I expect you will keep the full vertical component, but multiply the horizontal component of B by cos(45) to get the part that is perpendicular to the wire.
 
Delphi51 said:
The mass of a proton is 1.67 x 10^-27 kg.
You can find things like that in Wikipedia or in the back of a physics text.

But that's the whole point, if this kind of a question is in an exam, I can't use Wikipedia or any other source of information, other than the question or my memory. So I guess these kind of things has to be known by heart.

I expect you will keep the full vertical component, but multiply the horizontal component of B by cos(45) to get the part that is perpendicular to the wire.

Why should B be perpendicular to the wire? If I can just figure out \vec{B_v}, I can create \vec{B} by adding the vertical and horizontal components together. And then calculate the cross product \vec{l} \times \vec{B}

Many people do not realize that there is an "S" pole up in northern Canada and an "N" in Antarctica! You can check - a compass that points north will also point toward the S end of a magnet.

Thanks for the reminder, that made things clear! Since Earth has curvature, so does the magnetic field. One of the fields components then must be towards the center of the Earth and that makes the vertical component align with -\vec{k}.
 
Surely they put constants on the exam - e, mass of electron and proton, c, G, h, etc.
Most people have them in their calculators - do they clear calculators for exams?
Ideally, there would be a data sheet for the course that you use through the term and on the exam.
 
Delphi51 said:
Surely they put constants on the exam - e, mass of electron and proton, c, G, h, etc.

Well, I really hope that!

Most people have them in their calculators - do they clear calculators for exams?
Ideally, there would be a data sheet for the course that you use through the term and on the exam.

We aren't allowed to use calculators in exams. Only pens, eraser and rulers are allowed. Oh, and a slide rule, if you happen to have one. :-p
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 25 ·
Replies
25
Views
2K
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 17 ·
Replies
17
Views
2K
Replies
1
Views
2K
Replies
12
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
Replies
2
Views
1K
Replies
3
Views
2K
Replies
6
Views
1K