23, BSc in Physics, unemployed since October 2011

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The thread discusses the challenges faced by a recent physics graduate who has been unemployed since October 2011. Participants explore various aspects of job searching, including application strategies, potential biases in hiring, and alternative career paths. The conversation touches on personal experiences, advice on improving job prospects, and considerations for further education.

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Main Points Raised

  • The original poster (OP) has applied to over 150 jobs across various sectors but has only received 17 interviews, all of which resulted in rejection.
  • Some participants suggest that the OP clarify the types of jobs they are applying for and their career aspirations.
  • There is a discussion about potential name discrimination in the job market, with some participants proposing that the OP consider using a more mainstream name on their resume.
  • The OP expresses concern about the financial implications of pursuing further education in engineering, citing a fear of accruing significant student debt.
  • Some participants recommend consulting a university career center for advice on resume preparation and interview techniques.
  • There are suggestions for the OP to apply for unpaid internships or volunteer positions to enhance their resume during the unemployment period.
  • One participant emphasizes the need for the OP to increase the number of job applications submitted, treating the job search as a full-time endeavor.
  • Networking and establishing a professional online presence are highlighted as important strategies for improving job prospects.
  • Participants discuss the importance of tailoring resumes and cover letters to specific job applications and following up with employers after rejections.

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Participants generally agree that the OP should explore various strategies to improve their job search. However, there are differing opinions on the effectiveness of name changes and the necessity of pursuing further education in engineering. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific reasons for the OP's difficulties in securing employment.

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Limitations include the OP's lack of feedback from employers regarding rejection reasons, the potential impact of name discrimination, and the financial considerations surrounding further education. The discussion does not resolve these issues.

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This discussion may be useful for recent graduates facing similar employment challenges, individuals considering a career change, and those interested in strategies for improving job applications and networking.

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23, BSc in Physics, unemployed since October 2011...

Brief background:

University: I won't disclose the name but its ranked Top 10 in the UK

Degree: BSc Physics, averaged 65% overall, 2:1 Upper Second Class honours. Don't know what's that in GPA.

Graduated: Class of 2011

Any prizes or awards: Never really won anything. Just have a few certificates from school for doing well in this and that.

Unemployed since October 2011.

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I have since applied to over 150 jobs in various job sectors as far as I can remember. Only received 17 interviews after initial psychological aptitude tests. Have been rejected from all so far. I do not know why as they never say the reasons for my rejection. I don't know whether its my long difficult to pronounce name or whether I'm simply failing the interviews..

All my mates and people I know are already in a job. Some even failed their degree or dropped out before but are still doing better than me. Frankly its quite depressing. Either I'm doing something terribly wrong or there are just not enough jobs.

Have I considered teaching? To be honest no because I do not want to get into teaching at all. I know people will ask why but its just my personal choice.

Have I tried applying to menial jobs like cleaning, janitor, crate unloader or at Mcdonalds? I thought about that but I have left it as a last resort.

I am thinking about studying Accounting because it seems to be easy for my background. Engineering maybe too late but I am not sure. The reasons why I do not want to do a masters in Physics is because I struggled through the entire course plus found the course material really hard to understand. Don't get me wrong, I still like Physics but don't want to carry studying it higher.

If anyone thinks it would be better for me to just stick to physics please give reasons why.

Other than that, any help or advice would be greatly appreciated.

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Hi. I think it would help if you told us what types of jobs you are applying for and what it is that you actually want to do?
 


It is a fact that those with non-English names which are difficult to pronounce are at a severe disadvantage in the job market. If this is your worry, you might consider a more mainstream first name. Are you Indian? So if your name is say... Chandreshakar Singh, you might consider switching to say... Candy Singh (female) or Charlie Singh (male) just as a nickname to write on your resume.
 


Why do you think it's too late to go into engineering?
 
Kaldanis said:
Hi. I think it would help if you told us what types of jobs you are applying for and what it is that you actually want to do?

Well I want to get into finance particulary IB, but have been unsuccessful so far. I have also tried to appy to defence, Multinationals, pharmaceuticals, oil, energy, science & tech and various other sectors.

No luck so far but still trying...
 
chill_factor said:
It is a fact that those with non-English names which are difficult to pronounce are at a severe disadvantage in the job market. If this is your worry, you might consider a more mainstream first name. Are you Indian? So if your name is say... Chandreshakar Singh, you might consider switching to say... Candy Singh (female) or Charlie Singh (male) just as a nickname to write on your resume.

Well my name does get shortened to the first 4 or 6 letters after the initial awkwardness. But I use my full name when applying.

Is name discrimination common when applying to jobs?
 


a.sub11 said:
Have been rejected from all so far. I do not know why as they never say the reasons for my rejection.

If you want to know why, just give them a call.
Usually they will explain why, assuming you ask politely.
 


lisab said:
Why do you think it's too late to go into engineering?

Well I really don't want to rack up a student debt of £100k+ ($155k+) by the time I'm 30 by switching to engineering. If money wasn't the case I would switch. Ideally I rather get into work now and then maybe do a masters in something later. But getting a job is proving very difficult...

I just do not understand how the people I know who failed or dropped out seem to have more luck than me..
 
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To the OP:

I can't answer why some of your fellow classmates had an easier time finding work than you. It could be due to many factors, some of which may be beyond your control. What you can control is how to go about the application process.

Does your university have a career centre? If so, I would suggest you consult with someone there, for they might give you good advice on how to prepare your resume, as well as improve on interview techniques. It may be possible that you may not be doing enough to distinguish yourself from others when you are applying.

In the meantime, if it is possible for you, I would suggest applying to unpaid internships or volunteer. Doing nothing since Oct 2011 will look worse on your resume than having done something during that time, even if it is not a paid position.
 
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In the 10 or so months you've been unemployed, you've only applied to 150 jobs! Thats only 15 a month. You have to keep hammering at it. Treat looking for work as a full-time job. Set up an office space or go to a coffee shop and spend a solid work day getting applications out. If you lack the skills to apply to a certain sector, spend some of your time learning those skills.
 
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Do an internet search on yourself. What information can a potential employer find out about you? What's on your Facebook page? Or MySpace? Or Linkdin? Or your own personal a.sub11.com website? Is this information your want to be out there? If not, do as much as you can to clean it up.

Establish a professional web-presence. Your resume, your card, your Facebook profile, should all point to a professional site that reads like an expanded version of your resume. There you can provide details about projects that you've done, classes you've taken and enjoyed, work experience, volunteer experience, etc. that you wouldn't normally have on a resume.

Network. Find out what the big conferences are for the field(s) you want to get into and figure out how you can attend. When you go, talk to people. Not just the ones who are doing the hiring, but as many as you can. Sometimes entry-level sales reps can be fountains of information about how a company is doing and what they're looking for in their applicants.

This extends beyond conferences. Contact your old classmates. See how they are liking their current jobs. Find out how they got hired. You could also try getting in touch with head hunters. Another option is job-shadowing.

As much as possible try to speak with people involved in the decision-making process. Try to give them copies of your resume directly in addition to firing it through the HR machine.

Get critiques of your resume. Usually your university career office provides this service for free or for a menial fee. Also, tailor both your resume and cover letter to the specific job. Don't just play a game of [insert job title here].

Finally follow up. When you're unsuccessful find out why. Also see if you can find out if there are any similar jobs being offered elsewhere. Sometimes jobs come in clusters, but resumes aren't automatically transferred over.
 

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