2D kinematics - Solved, but a question on the logic

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The discussion revolves around a 2D kinematics problem involving a basketball launched at a 45-degree angle. The correct vertical distance (y) to the basket is calculated as 0.91 meters using the equation y = (Vsin45)(t) + 0.5(-g)(t^2). The confusion arises when an alternative method is used, leading to a calculated height of 0.72 meters, which represents the distance from the peak height to the basket rather than the total vertical drop. It is clarified that the negative sign for gravity must be considered, as the ball is descending from its peak height to the basket. Understanding this distinction resolves the misunderstanding regarding the displacement equation's application.
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The problem: (Note: the correct answer is bolded throughout)

A basketball is launched with an initial speed of 8 m/s at a 45 degree angle from the horizontal. The ball enters the basket in 0.96 seconds. What is the distance x and y?

Just ignore the distance x, I know it's simply the product of the time and horizontal velocity.

The distance y is obtained using the equation:

y = (Vsin45)(t) + .5(-g)(t)^2
y = 0.91m

The above is the correct answer and how to obtain it--no quarrels there. My issue is why this method does not work:

Here are my variables:

t = Total time the ball is in the air
Tp = The time for the ball to reach its peak height
Tf = The time the ball is in free fall

Tp = (Vsin45) / (g)
Tp = (8sin45) / (9.8)
Tp = 0.57723s

Tf = t - Tp
Tf = 0.96 - 0.57723
Tf = 0.38277s

y = .5(g)(t^2)
y = .5(9.8)(0.38277^2)
y = 0.72m

The logic makes sense to me, since the ball takes .58 seconds to reach its peak height and obtain a velocity of 0 m/s. It should also then be in free fall for the remaining time (t-Tp) of 0.38s. I also thought that using the equation for displacement would be appropriate since only the acceleration due to gravity is present in the y direction. It is wrong however.

If it helps, I'll also mention this problem was correctly solved using conservation of energy (0.91m), where the V in the final kinetic energy is obtained by using V horizontal, g, and the obtained Tf--so I know everything up until the displacement equation is correct.

Could anyone enlighten me as to why I cannot use the displacement equation as I did?
 
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Think about what that y you computed as 0.72 actually represents.
 
Greyt said:
The problem: (Note: the correct answer is bolded throughout)

A basketball is launched with an initial speed of 8 m/s at a 45 degree angle from the horizontal. The ball enters the basket in 0.96 seconds. What is the distance x and y?

Just ignore the distance x, I know it's simply the product of the time and horizontal velocity.

The distance y is obtained using the equation:

y = (Vsin45)(t) + .5(-g)(t)^2
y = 0.91m

The above is the correct answer and how to obtain it--no quarrels there. My issue is why this method does not work:

Here are my variables:

t = Total time the ball is in the air
Tp = The time for the ball to reach its peak height
Tf = The time the ball is in free fall

Tp = (Vsin45) / (g)
Tp = (8sin45) / (9.8)
Tp = 0.57723s

Tf = t - Tp
Tf = 0.96 - 0.57723
Tf = 0.38277s

y = .5(g)(t^2)
y = .5(9.8)(0.38277^2)
y = 0.72m

The logic makes sense to me, since the ball takes .58 seconds to reach its peak height and obtain a velocity of 0 m/s. It should also then be in free fall for the remaining time (t-Tp) of 0.38s. I also thought that using the equation for displacement would be appropriate since only the acceleration due to gravity is present in the y direction. It is wrong however.

If it helps, I'll also mention this problem was correctly solved using conservation of energy (0.91m), where the V in the final kinetic energy is obtained by using V horizontal, g, and the obtained Tf--so I know everything up until the displacement equation is correct.

Could anyone enlighten me as to why I cannot use the displacement equation as I did?
The value you get for y, 0.72m is the y value from the ball's peak height to the basket height. It should actually be -0.72m.

What is the height gained by the ball in its first 0.57723 of flight?
 
Ah, I completely neglected the fact it was traveling down from its peak and so the y represents how far the basket is from the top of its height.

Thanks to you both! (I feel silly for ignoring that negative sign for gravity now)
 
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