2D kinematics - Solved, but a question on the logic

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The problem involves a basketball launched at a 45-degree angle with an initial speed of 8 m/s, entering a basket in 0.96 seconds. The original poster discusses calculating the vertical distance (y) using two different methods, questioning the validity of one approach that leads to a different result than expected.

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate the vertical distance using both a direct kinematic equation and a method involving time to peak height and free fall. They question why their second method yields a different result.

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Participants are engaging in a productive dialogue, with one suggesting that the value obtained by the original poster represents the distance from the peak height to the basket, indicating a misunderstanding of the displacement direction. Clarifications are being made regarding the interpretation of the calculated values.

Contextual Notes

The original poster acknowledges the correct answer obtained through conservation of energy, indicating a potential constraint in their understanding of the kinematic equations in this context.

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The problem: (Note: the correct answer is bolded throughout)

A basketball is launched with an initial speed of 8 m/s at a 45 degree angle from the horizontal. The ball enters the basket in 0.96 seconds. What is the distance x and y?

Just ignore the distance x, I know it's simply the product of the time and horizontal velocity.

The distance y is obtained using the equation:

y = (Vsin45)(t) + .5(-g)(t)^2
y = 0.91m

The above is the correct answer and how to obtain it--no quarrels there. My issue is why this method does not work:

Here are my variables:

t = Total time the ball is in the air
Tp = The time for the ball to reach its peak height
Tf = The time the ball is in free fall

Tp = (Vsin45) / (g)
Tp = (8sin45) / (9.8)
Tp = 0.57723s

Tf = t - Tp
Tf = 0.96 - 0.57723
Tf = 0.38277s

y = .5(g)(t^2)
y = .5(9.8)(0.38277^2)
y = 0.72m

The logic makes sense to me, since the ball takes .58 seconds to reach its peak height and obtain a velocity of 0 m/s. It should also then be in free fall for the remaining time (t-Tp) of 0.38s. I also thought that using the equation for displacement would be appropriate since only the acceleration due to gravity is present in the y direction. It is wrong however.

If it helps, I'll also mention this problem was correctly solved using conservation of energy (0.91m), where the V in the final kinetic energy is obtained by using V horizontal, g, and the obtained Tf--so I know everything up until the displacement equation is correct.

Could anyone enlighten me as to why I cannot use the displacement equation as I did?
 
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Think about what that y you computed as 0.72 actually represents.
 
Greyt said:
The problem: (Note: the correct answer is bolded throughout)

A basketball is launched with an initial speed of 8 m/s at a 45 degree angle from the horizontal. The ball enters the basket in 0.96 seconds. What is the distance x and y?

Just ignore the distance x, I know it's simply the product of the time and horizontal velocity.

The distance y is obtained using the equation:

y = (Vsin45)(t) + .5(-g)(t)^2
y = 0.91m

The above is the correct answer and how to obtain it--no quarrels there. My issue is why this method does not work:

Here are my variables:

t = Total time the ball is in the air
Tp = The time for the ball to reach its peak height
Tf = The time the ball is in free fall

Tp = (Vsin45) / (g)
Tp = (8sin45) / (9.8)
Tp = 0.57723s

Tf = t - Tp
Tf = 0.96 - 0.57723
Tf = 0.38277s

y = .5(g)(t^2)
y = .5(9.8)(0.38277^2)
y = 0.72m

The logic makes sense to me, since the ball takes .58 seconds to reach its peak height and obtain a velocity of 0 m/s. It should also then be in free fall for the remaining time (t-Tp) of 0.38s. I also thought that using the equation for displacement would be appropriate since only the acceleration due to gravity is present in the y direction. It is wrong however.

If it helps, I'll also mention this problem was correctly solved using conservation of energy (0.91m), where the V in the final kinetic energy is obtained by using V horizontal, g, and the obtained Tf--so I know everything up until the displacement equation is correct.

Could anyone enlighten me as to why I cannot use the displacement equation as I did?
The value you get for y, 0.72m is the y value from the ball's peak height to the basket height. It should actually be -0.72m.

What is the height gained by the ball in its first 0.57723 of flight?
 
Ah, I completely neglected the fact it was traveling down from its peak and so the y represents how far the basket is from the top of its height.

Thanks to you both! (I feel silly for ignoring that negative sign for gravity now)
 

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