2nd Order, homogeneous Differential Equation

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The discussion revolves around solving a second-order homogeneous differential equation, specifically d²θ/dη² + 2η(dθ/dη) = 0, with θ defined in terms of temperature variables. The original poster notes that η is given as η=Cxtm, which raises questions about the method of solving due to potential non-constant coefficients.

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  • Participants explore the implications of treating η as a constant versus a variable, with some suggesting that the equation is separable. There are attempts to manipulate the equation and integrate, leading to discussions about integration constants and the correctness of the derived expressions.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on the separation of variables and integration steps. There is acknowledgment of potential errors in the integration process, particularly regarding the treatment of constants. Multiple interpretations of the integration results are being explored.

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Participants mention the complexity of the problem due to its multi-part nature and the original poster's uncertainty about the correct approach to take with the given equation and assumptions.

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Homework Statement


Solve d2θ/dη2 + 2η(dθ/dη) = 0, to obtain θ as a function of η,
where θ=(T-T0)/(Ts-T0)

EDIT: I should add that this is a multi-part problem, and η is given as η=Cxtm. We had to use that to derive the equation in question above.. So I don't know if this is supposed to be solved as a non-constant coefficient method or not... My method below solved it assuming η was a constant.. I can supply the whole problem as an attachment if necessary.

Homework Equations


ay"+by'+cy=0
ar2+br+c=0
If the roots are real and different, solution is: y=aer1x+ber2x

The Attempt at a Solution


I would assume this can just be:
θ"+2ηθ'=0
which turns to:
r2+2ηr=0

But when using the quadratic equation to get roots, I get r1=-2η, and r2=0

Plug this into the solution form and get θ=ae-2ηx

Not sure if this is right. Can someone confirm, or tell me what I'm doing wrong? Thanks!
 
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If your function is a function of ##\eta##, you clearly cannot make the assumption that ##\eta## is a constant.

The differential equation you have for ##f(\eta) = d\theta/d\eta## is separable.
 
Okay, so all I know about separable equations is that you have to get like terms on the same side of the equation.
If I rearranged the original equation, it would give me:
d2θ/dθ = -2η(d2η/dη)

But I have no clue how to solve that.
 
mudweez0009 said:
Okay, so all I know about separable equations is that you have to get like terms on the same side of the equation.
If I rearranged the original equation, it would give me:
d2θ/dθ = -2η(d2η/dη)

But I have no clue how to solve that.
No, the equation for ##f = d\theta/d\eta## is separable. Solve that first and then integrate it to find ##\theta##.
 
I don't have an equation for dθ/dη. Are you referring to the equation I have for θ in terms of T ( θ=(T-T0)/(Ts-T0) )? Because I'm not sure how to differentiate that with respect to η to obtain the dθ/dη equation...
I apologize for my very rusty differential equations abilities, and I appreciate you trying to help.
 
Make the substitution ##f = d\theta/d\eta##. This gives you a differenial equation for ##f## that you have to solve.
 
Okay I think I made progress. (crossing fingers)..
Using the substitution f=dθ/dη, that means df/dη=d2θ/dη2.
Plugging these into the equation d2θ/dη2 + 2η(dθ/dη) = 0 yields:
⇒df/dη + 2ηf =0
⇒df/dη = -2ηf
⇒(1/f)df = -2η(dη)

Integrate both sides:
⇒∫(1/f)df = ∫-2η(dη)
⇒ln(f) = -η2

Take base 'e' of both sides to get:
f=e2

recalling that f=dθ/dη,
⇒dθ/dη = e2

(This is where I may be wrong)... Rearrange and integrate again??
dθ = e2
⇒∫dθ =∫e2

θ = ½*√π*erf(η)+C (I used Wolfram Integral Calculator for this)
 
Yes, apart from that you missed an integration constant in the first integration.
 
Okay yes, I missed the constant. So if I put that in there, the first integral would become:
f=e2+C

⇒dθ/dη = e2+C
⇒dθ = [e2+C]dη

Integrate:
∫dθ =∫[e2+C]dη
⇒θ = ½*√π*erf(η)+η+C

I think my answer would change to include an additional η, but does that error function even make sense? I feel like that doesn't make solving the temperature profile any easier, if that were the objective in a real-life application..
 
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mudweez0009 said:
Okay yes, I missed the constant. So if I put that in there, the first integral would become:
f=e-η2+C

Not really. The constant shows up before you exponentiate the result. It is therefore a multiplicative constant rather than additive.
 

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