2nd order system of linear DE through matrix methods

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The discussion centers around solving a coupled system of second-order differential equations using matrix methods. The original poster expresses uncertainty about applying techniques designed for first-order systems to their second-order equations.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to relate their problem to a method outlined on a tutorial website, questioning whether the same steps can be applied to their second-order system. They also consider the implications of transforming the system into a first-order format.
  • Some participants suggest reformulating the equations using additional variables to express the system in matrix form, while others note the complexity of finding eigenvalues and eigenvectors for a larger matrix.
  • Questions arise about the necessity of using standard substitution methods for higher-order systems, as well as the feasibility of matrix methods given the tools available to the poster.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring various methods to approach the problem. Some guidance has been provided regarding the transformation of the system into a matrix format, while others express concerns about the complexity of the calculations involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the challenges of solving higher-order linear systems of ordinary differential equations, particularly when constrained to basic tools like calculators and paper. There is also mention of integrating factors as an alternative method that has been attempted by one participant.

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Homework Statement



obtain the solution of the coupled system of equations
d2X1+2X1=X2
d2X2+2X2=X1

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The Attempt at a Solution



I envisioned encountering this equation using matrix methods, as outlined in this website, since it was much easier than substitution, differentiation, etc:
http://tutorial.math.lamar.edu/Classes/DE/SystemsDE.aspx

However, unlike the method shown in the webpage above, my equation it is a 2nd order DE. Therefore, can I follow the steps exactly as outlined in this example involving only a first order system of DE?

If that is the case, then can I use the same method for the system of DE I wrote below?
https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=517819
This problem is a little bit more different, because it contains a 2nd order AND a first order DE .

Thanks for the continued support!
 
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Let me clean that up for you:

d^2x_1+2x_1=x_2
d^2x_2+2x_2=x_1
 
iqjump123 said:

Homework Statement



obtain the solution of the coupled system of equations
d2X1+2X1=X2
d2X2+2X2=X1


Homework Equations

,

The Attempt at a Solution



I envisioned encountering this equation using matrix methods, as outlined in this website, since it was much easier than substitution, differentiation, etc:
http://tutorial.math.lamar.edu/Classes/DE/SystemsDE.aspx

However, unlike the method shown in the webpage above, my equation it is a 2nd order DE. Therefore, can I follow the steps exactly as outlined in this example involving only a first order system of DE?

If that is the case, then can I use the same method for the system of DE I wrote below?
https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=517819
This problem is a little bit more different, because it contains a 2nd order AND a first order DE .

Thanks for the continued support!

Set X3 = DX1 and X4 = DX2. Your system becomes:
DX1 = X3
DX2 = X4
DX3 = X2 - 2X1
DX4 = X1 - 2X2
so if V = column(X1 X2 X3 X4) you have DV = AV, where
A=[[0 0 1 0],[0 0 0 1],[-2 1 0 0],[1 -2 0 0]] = [row1,row2,row3,row4].

RGV
 
Ray Vickson said:
Set X3 = DX1 and X4 = DX2. Your system becomes:
DX1 = X3
DX2 = X4
DX3 = X2 - 2X1
DX4 = X1 - 2X2
so if V = column(X1 X2 X3 X4) you have DV = AV, where
A=[[0 0 1 0],[0 0 0 1],[-2 1 0 0],[1 -2 0 0]] = [row1,row2,row3,row4].

RGV

Hey RGV-

Thanks so much for your help!

By the way- matrix methods will be harder now I guess-
Trying to get eigenvalues and eigenvectors of a 4X4 matrix will be quite tough
(if I have just a calculator, pen, and paper).

So, am I correct to assume that standard substitution and DE solving methods are what has to be used to solve higher order linear system of ODE? (Solvable ones, that is)

thanks again.

iqjump123Update- Amongst different methods to solve this problem, I took the method of solving ODE through integrating factors, and got the answer that way. Thanks for the help!
 
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