2nd Order Linear DE (homogeneous/wronskian/euler-cauchy)

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The discussion revolves around the second-order linear differential equation given by t2y'' + 4ty' - 4y = 0, where one known solution is y(t) = t. The original poster seeks to find a second, linearly independent solution.

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  • The original poster applies the Cauchy-Euler method and proposes a general solution involving constants. They question the linear independence of the proposed second solution, t-4, based on the Wronskian. Other participants discuss the implications of the Wronskian and the nature of the solutions.

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Participants are exploring the conditions for linear independence and discussing the implications of the Wronskian's behavior. There is an acknowledgment of the singular point at t = 0 and its effect on the solution space, but no consensus has been reached on the validity of t-4 as a second solution.

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The problem does not specify a range for t, leading to questions about the behavior of the solutions at t = 0, where the leading coefficient of the differential equation becomes zero.

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The equation t^2y'' + 4ty' -4y = 0

has a solution of y(t) = t.

Find a second, linearly independent solution.

2. The attempt at a solution

Ok so I just applied the Cauchy Euler equation method to find a general solution of

y = c1*t^-4 + c2*t

Where c1 and c2 are constants.

The problem stated that t was already a solution so I'm assuming that t^-4 is the other solution.

To determine whether they were linearly independent, I found the Wronkian which was

-5t^-4

I know that two solutions of a DE are linearly independent if the wronkian is non-zero for all points where the solution space is defined, but in this case, the wronskian is only zero if t> 0 or t < 0. But it will be zero if t=0.

The problem does not include a range for t...

So basically, my question is : Could t^-4 be a second linearly independent solution of the DE?

Thank you.
 
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anthony:) said:
To determine whether they were linearly independent, I found the Wronkian which was

-5t^{-4}

I know that two solutions of a DE are linearly independent if the wronkian is non-zero for all points where the solution space is defined, but in this case, the wronskian is only zero if t> 0 or t < 0. But it will be zero if t=0. …

but y = t and y = t-4 are obviously independent!

i think you only need to look at the wronskian to check independence if you don't already know what the solutions are :wink:
 
Sorry I'm kind of slow...

Thanks
 
anthony:) said:
To determine whether they were linearly independent, I found the Wronkian which was

-5t^-4

I know that two solutions of a DE are linearly independent if the wronkian is non-zero for all points where the solution space is defined, but in this case, the wronskian is only zero if t> 0 or t < 0. But it will be zero if t=0.

The problem does not include a range for t...

You mean the Wronskian is non-zero if t > 0 or t < 0. And it is not zero when t = 0; it is undefined.

Also note that the leading coefficient of the DE is zero when t = 0. That gives a singular point at t = 0 which is why the domain for the solution doesn't include t = 0.
 

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