3 polarizers -- correlations of correlations

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In summary, the conversation discusses conducting EPR experiments with polarizers and their random rotations. The first trial with non-entangled photons shows a 50% correlation with a low detection rate. The second trial with a different polarizer and new random rotations also shows a 50% correlation. Theoretical correlations between the two outcome sets A-B and B-C are discussed. The possibility of entanglement without the need for entangled photons is considered. The setup for the second experiment is clarified and the importance of using random rotations from the entire set is emphasized.
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To show that some unclear conditions miss to get a predictive capacity of the theory.

You know the optical setting for an EPR experiment with 2 polarizers and their random rotations.

Let's do a 1st trial with not entangled photons ( ie coming from 2 distinct sources ), recording the rotations of each trials pair on the polarizers A and B. We will find a 50% correlations with a very low detection rate because the sources are not well correlated in time.

Now, let's do the same with polarizer B using the previous recorded rotations and the other , C , new random rotations. We will get again 50% of correlations.

1) What are now the theoretical correlations between the 2 outcome sets A-B and B-C ?

By chance, I found outcomes sets where the polarizers took their random sources in well identified films records with a well known algorithm. Since entanglement is not needed and that trials pairs order does not account, I rearranged some pairs data to fit exactly the above schema.

Suppose now we find that the last comparison violates the inequalities ( with 1%x1% detection rate ) thus that the "2 polarizers correlations sets are entangled when considering the rotations angles of A and C".
2) Would you see an explanation ?

In the above, entanglement means not more that the raw outcomes violate the CSCH inequalities for the choosen angles, as the experimentalists do.
 
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Leo1233783 said:
Now, let's do the same with polarizer B using the previous recorded rotations and the other , C , new random rotations. We will get again 50% of correlations.
I don't understand the setup you have in mind. Could you clarify?
 
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DrClaude said:
Could you clarify?

Run the first experiment with recorded random rotations for A and B ( as usual for analysis ).
For the 2nd experiment, use the recorded rotations for B and for the other C , get and use new random rotations
Then, match 2 randoms sets ( A and C ) with the same another random set of rotations ( B) and compare with cos²(A-C) the outcomes of A-B and B-C correlations, not A-C outcomes.

I hope to be clear.

Edit : I missed something important. While the random rotations of A and C are in general in a small set of values, ( 2 , 4 or 8 ) , the polarizer B must use random rotations from the entire set [ 0 , pi [.
 
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1. How do three polarizers affect the correlations of correlations?

Three polarizers can alter the correlations of correlations by filtering and manipulating the polarization of light passing through them. Depending on the orientation and arrangement of the polarizers, the correlations between different polarizations of light can be strengthened, weakened, or completely eliminated.

2. What are correlations of correlations?

Correlations of correlations refer to the relationship between the correlations of two different variables. In the case of three polarizers, this could be the correlations between the polarization of light passing through each polarizer and the overall polarization of the light after passing through all three polarizers.

3. How do three polarizers work together to affect the polarization of light?

Three polarizers work together by selectively allowing only certain polarizations of light to pass through each polarizer. This results in a final polarization of light that is determined by the orientation and arrangement of the polarizers.

4. Can the correlations of correlations be predicted or controlled with three polarizers?

Yes, the correlations of correlations can be predicted and controlled to a certain extent with three polarizers. By adjusting the orientation and arrangement of the polarizers, the correlations can be manipulated to achieve a desired outcome.

5. What applications do three polarizers and their correlations have in scientific research?

Three polarizers and their correlations have various applications in scientific research, such as in optics, quantum mechanics, and materials science. They can be used to study the properties of light, test theories on quantum entanglement, and analyze the behavior of materials under different polarizations of light.

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