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The discussion revolves around three problems involving sound waves and standing waves in a physics context. The first problem concerns the conditions for destructive interference from two loudspeakers emitting sound waves. The second problem involves determining the stretch of a spring that produces a standing wave with a specific number of antinodes. The third problem addresses sound intensity from loudspeakers and the frequencies that produce minimum intensity at a specific location.

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of wavelength and path-length differences for the first problem, questioning the correctness of the original poster's calculations.
  • In the second problem, there is exploration of harmonic relationships and the application of Hooke's Law, with some participants suggesting the need for additional information about the spring constant.
  • The third problem prompts inquiry into the relationship between frequency and sound intensity, with participants discussing the implications of standing wave patterns.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problems, providing feedback on calculations and suggesting areas for further exploration. There is a mix of confirmations and corrections regarding the approaches taken, particularly in the context of harmonic relationships and wave properties.

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Some participants express uncertainty about the equations needed for the second and third problems, indicating a lack of clarity in the original problem statements. Additionally, there is mention of a previous discussion that has not been resolved, suggesting ongoing exploration of these concepts.

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Here are the three problems I'm having trouble with:

Homework Statement


Two identical loudspeakers separated by distance d emit 170 Hz sound waves along the x-axis. As you walk along the axis, away from the speakers, you don't hear anything even though both speakers are on. What are three possible values for d? Assume a sound speed of 340 m/s.


Homework Equations



phase difference = 2*Pi*(change in r/wavelength)+initial phase difference=2(m+1/2)Pi

interference is destructive if the path-length difference r=(m+1/2)wavelength

The Attempt at a Solution



find the wavelength

f=v/2L = v/wavelength
wavelength=v/f =340/170 =2

d=(m+1/2)wavelength

for m=0: d=1m
m=1: d=2m
m=2 d=3m


did I do this correctly?

Homework Statement


A steel wire is used to stretch a spring. An oscillating magnetic field drives the steel wire back and forth. A standing wave with three antinodes is created when the spring is stretched 8.0cm. What stretch of the spring produces a standing wave with two antinodes


Homework Equations



unsure

The Attempt at a Solution


the wave is in the third harmonic. The wavelength can be found using

wavelength=4L/m =4(.08)/3 = 8/75

I'm not sure how to get to the book's answer of 18 cm.

Homework Statement


Two loudspeakers 5.0m apart are playing the same frequency. If you stand 12.0 m in from of the plane of the speakers, centered between them, you hear a sound of maximum intensity. As you walk parallel to the plane of the speakers, staying 12.0m in front of them, you first hear a minimum of sound intensity when you are directly in from of one of the speakers.

a. what is the frequency of the sound? Assume a sound speed of 340 m/s
b. If you stay 12.0m in front of one of the speakers, for what other frequencies between 100 Hz and 1000 Hz is there a minimum sound intensity at this point?


Homework Equations


unsure for part b


The Attempt at a Solution


I've solved part a, f=170 Hz.

I don't even know how to start part b.
 
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First problem:
mst3kjunkie said:
3. The Attempt at a Solution

find the wavelength

f=v/2L = v/wavelength
wavelength=v/f =340/170 =2

d=(m+1/2)wavelength

for m=0: d=1m
m=1: d=2m
m=2 d=3m


did I do this correctly?
Excessive busywork led you to the correct final equation, then you did the simple math wrong. plug in your m's again.
 
2nd problem
mst3kjunkie said:
the wave is in the third harmonic. The wavelength can be found using

wavelength=4L/m =4(.08)/3 = 8/75

I'm not sure how to get to the book's answer of 18 cm.

You are looking for the stretch of the spring. Goto Hookes' Law. How does a change in tension affect the fundimental frequncy of a standing wave in a string?
 
Isn't the \lambda for the third harmonic \frac{2L}{3}?

If you use hookes law, don't we need to know the spring constant k before using this information to solve this problem?
 
You are right about the 2L/3, although this thread "died" 9 months ago.

But to answer your questions, you don't need to know the spring constant. You just need to know the proportionality between the stretch of the string, to the tension of the spring, to the speed of the wave in the string.

If the frequency is constant, by doubling the stretch of the spring, the tension will double, and the wave speed will increase by 1.41 (square root 2).

to have the same frequency go from being the 3rd harmonic to being the 2nd harmonic (2 is 2/3 of 3), the speed will have to increase by 3/2 of it's original, and the tension and therefore stretch will have to increase by the square root of 3/2Hmm, but that doesn't give 18 cm.

Just a minute...d'oh!

the stretch will increase by the square of 3/2 (not the root).
 
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