3x^2 + 2x - k = 0, find 3α^2 - 2β in terms of k

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The discussion revolves around finding the expression for 3α² - 2β in terms of a constant k, given that α and β are the roots of the quadratic equation 3x² + 2x - k = 0. Participants are exploring relationships between the roots and the coefficients of the equation.

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  • Participants have noted the relationships αβ = -k/3 and α + β = -2/3, but are struggling to manipulate these into the desired form. Some have attempted to use the quadratic formula to derive expressions for α and β, leading to complications with extra terms.

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Several participants have shared their attempts and frustrations in deriving the expression. There is a sense of progress as some report having found a solution, while others are still grappling with the problem. The discussion reflects a mix of successful insights and ongoing challenges.

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Participants are working under the constraints of the problem statement and are encouraged to show their work in detail. There is an emphasis on understanding the relationships between the roots and the coefficients without providing direct solutions.

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Homework Statement



Let k be a constant. If α and β are the roots of the equation 3x^2 + 2x - k = 0, find the value of 3α^2 - 2β in terms of k.

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



Obviously, the usual

αβ = -k/3
α + β = -2/3

has been written but I couldn't put them into the equation required despite a full hour's effort.

Also, tried writing (-b+-sqrt(b^2-4ac))/2a, and put respective roots into the equation, it yields something similar to the provided solution, but has an extra root term.

The solution is 4/3 + k.

The latter method gets 4/3 + k + sqrt(4+12k)/6.
 
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tony24810 said:

Homework Statement



Let k be a constant. If α and β are the roots of the equation 3x^2 + 2x - k = 0, find the value of 3α^2 - 2β in terms of k.

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



Obviously, the usual

αβ = -k/3
α + β = -2/3

has been written but I couldn't put them into the equation required despite a full hour's effort.

Also, tried writing (-b+-sqrt(b^2-4ac))/2a, and put respective roots into the equation, it yields something similar to the provided solution, but has an extra root term.

The solution is 4/3 + k.

The latter method gets 4/3 + k + sqrt(4+12k)/6.
Considering k to be a constant, solve the second equation below for α or β, then substitute into the first equation.
αβ = -k/3
α + β = -2/3
 
Mark44 said:
Considering k to be a constant, solve the second equation below for α or β, then substitute into the first equation.
αβ = -k/3
α + β = -2/3

It has a β^2 term leftover.
 
tony24810 said:

Homework Statement



Let k be a constant. If α and β are the roots of the equation 3x^2 + 2x - k = 0, find the value of 3α^2 - 2β in terms of k.

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



Obviously, the usual

αβ = -k/3
α + β = -2/3

has been written but I couldn't put them into the equation required despite a full hour's effort.

Also, tried writing (-b+-sqrt(b^2-4ac))/2a, and put respective roots into the equation, it yields something similar to the provided solution, but has an extra root term.

The solution is 4/3 + k.

The latter method gets 4/3 + k + sqrt(4+12k)/6.

Show your work in detail.

ehild
 
haha omg i got it
 
got it

i tried again this time giving each equation their names, suddenly spot the identity that i didn't see before. hahahaha
 

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