4 Point masses form a body - Inertia & Rotational Kinetics

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The discussion revolves around calculating the moment of inertia and rotational kinetic energy for a system of four point masses connected by massless rigid rods. The problem involves determining these quantities when the system rotates about the x and y axes, given the masses and their positions in a three-dimensional space.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to find the center of mass of the system as a prerequisite for calculating the moments of inertia. Some participants question the method for determining the center of mass and suggest drawing a diagram to visualize the components. Others discuss the application of the parallel axis theorem and inquire about the distance from the center of mass to the axes of rotation.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively exploring the necessary steps to calculate the center of mass and moment of inertia. Guidance has been provided regarding the use of the parallel axis theorem and the importance of understanding the distances involved in the calculations. Multiple interpretations of how to approach the problem are being discussed.

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There is an emphasis on understanding the relationship between the center of mass and the moment of inertia, as well as the need for visual aids to clarify the positions of the masses. The original poster expresses uncertainty about the calculations and the implications of the different axes of rotation.

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Homework Statement



Four point masses form a rigid body (they are connected by massless rigid rods) given the positions M1= 3kg (2m, 4m, 0m) M2= 2kg (1m, -4m, 0m) M3= 1kg (10m, 2m, 0m) M4= 5kg (-5m, 2m, 0m)
Find:
A) Moment of inertia of this system when it rotates about x axis
B) Moment of interia of this system when it rotates about y axis
C) Total rotational kinetic energy in the (A) case when ω= 4 rad/s
D) Total rotational kinetic energy in the (B) case when ω= 4 rad/s

Homework Equations



Rotational K = 1/2Iω2

The Attempt at a Solution



I'm really terrible at things with center of mass :confused: but I believe we'd have to somehow find the total systems Center of Mass in order to find it's moment(s) of Inertia. However I don't know how to do this with the different axis' (x & y). And as I know from the formula, I can't solve for Rotational Kinetic energy without them :frown:

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Do you know how to calculate the center of mass of a body knowing the components of the body and the c.m. of each component? Do you know the formula for calculating center of mass? In cases such as this, try drawing a picture showing each component mass and its location from the origin.

You will have to deal with this before proceeding to calculate moment of inertia for the composite body.
 
SteamKing said:
Do you know how to calculate the center of mass of a body knowing the components of the body and the c.m. of each component? Do you know the formula for calculating center of mass? In cases such as this, try drawing a picture showing each component mass and its location from the origin.

You will have to deal with this before proceeding to calculate moment of inertia for the composite body.

I have the general idea, and I have drawn a diagram. I believe the formula is Xcm(M)=x1m1+x2m2+x3m3+x4m4 where M is the total mass and Xcm is the centre of mass in the x direction. But once I find this how do I get the moment of inertia for rotating around the x axis? Do I just use Xcm in the formula I=Icm + MD2 (parallel axis theorem?) And if so what would be D because none of them fall right on the x axis...
 
D is going to be the distance of the c.o.m. of each point mass from the x-axis. (Hint: remember the Pythagorean Theorem). Calculate MOI about the origin for the body, then transfer the MOI from the origin to the c.o.m. using the parallel axis theorem.
 

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