5 positivly charged particles on sphere, min energy configuration, rel

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The discussion centers on the Thomson Problem, which involves finding the minimum energy configuration of five positively charged particles constrained to the surface of a sphere. The participants explore the potential for stable configurations that are not at minimum energy and suggest using computer programs to map the potential energy surface E(θ_1, φ_1, θ_2, φ_2, θ_3, φ_3, θ_4, φ_4, θ_5, φ_5). A Java applet is referenced for visualizing particle arrangements and minimizing energy configurations, highlighting the triangular dipyramid as a symmetric solution.

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Assume 5 charged particles (charge 1) constrained to live on the surface of a sphere are in a configuration that minimizes electrostatic potential energy. Are there configurations that are stable but that are not the minimum energy configuration?

A simple computer program could quickly(?) examine many random configurations and slowly map out the potential energy surface E(θ_1,phi_1,θ_2,phi_2,θ_3,phi_3,θ_4,phi_4,θ_5,phi_5)?

There must be more elegant(less computer time) ways to find the minimum energy configuration?

Has this problem been solved?

Edit, E above is a function of only 8 variables, we can always let one particle be at the north pole?Thanks for any help!
 
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Simon Bridge said:
It's called "the Thomson Problem".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomson_problem

Triangular dipyramid :rolleyes: Nice and symmetric, I should have seen that. Things probably get more interesting with larger numbers. From the link above check out a fun Java app at,

http://thomson.phy.syr.edu/thomsonapplet.php

Check out the screen shot and add a charged particle and watch the charges rearrange to I assume the lowest energy configuration. Still would like to know if there are stable relative minimum.

Edit, I think you have to hit the Auto button on the app to get the configuration to minimize energy?

Thanks for your help!
 

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Nice find!
 

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