7th Grader Interested In Future Physics Career

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The discussion centers around the considerations and realities of pursuing a career in physics, particularly from the perspective of a 7th grader interested in the field. Participants explore the necessary skills, education, and potential career paths for physicists, as well as the financial aspects and job stability associated with such careers.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants emphasize the importance of a strong foundation in math and suggest specific books to aid in learning.
  • There are mixed views on the financial prospects of a physics career, with some stating that wages can be low, while others note that it can improve depending on the career path taken.
  • Concerns are raised about the length of education required (approximately a decade) and the short duration of actual physics careers (around 5 years post-PhD) due to contract work and job instability.
  • Some participants argue that many physicists transition to other fields (like finance or insurance) after their academic careers, while others highlight that permanent positions do exist but are rare.
  • There is a discussion about the distinction between education and career, particularly regarding the PhD process and whether it should be considered part of career training.
  • Participants express a desire to inform the original poster about the challenges in pursuing a physics career while also encouraging their interest in the field.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the financial viability and career longevity of physicists, with differing opinions on the realities of job stability and the transition to other fields. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best way to frame the PhD experience in relation to career training.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions about job markets and the definitions of career versus education. The perspectives shared are based on personal experiences and may not represent the full spectrum of opportunities available in the field of physics.

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This discussion may be useful for students considering a career in physics, educators providing guidance on STEM careers, and individuals interested in the realities of pursuing advanced degrees in scientific fields.

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Hi, I am in 7th grade and have a great interest in learning how the universe works. I also love math and programming. A few days ago we started a career project in class and that has made me think about a career as a physicist. I have done lots of research onto being a physicist but I could use help in understanding from people who have experience in physics.

I would like to know what skills/education I would need to become a physicist, what the wage is like and in detail about what exactly experimental physicists and theoretical physicists do.

Thanks for your posts! :D
 
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Welcome to PF.
Being keenly interested is a very good start.
If you find that knowing how something works does not diminish the sense of awe and wonder, then you are good scientist material. Do puzzles and read stuff in your spare time, and study math and science. (And a little bit of anything else that attracts your attention.) You'll be able to specialize in physics quite soon at high school.

what the wage is like
... mostly crap. It can get quite good though depending on what you end up doing.

At your level you are best advised to follow what lights you up - your course will become clearer as you progress. Since you seem to want to be organized, you'd want to see what colleges you'd want to apply to maybe and see what they expect for their science/physics program entrants.

It may be interesting to discover how many people replying to you are doing physics for the money. I got into it to meet girls - smart huh?
 
You should also do as much math as you can!

Look into these books:

1) Basic Mathematics by Serge Lang (as recommended by micromass)
2) Elements of Algebra by Euler (as recommended by mathwonk)
3) Challenge and Thrill of Pre-College Mathematics by Krishnamurthy and Pranesachar (this one's from me!)

All three books can be pre-viewed freely and legally via Google Books and most of 2) is actually available free of charge online. 1) and 3), you will have to buy. I'd suggest you preview them and see if you like them first.

These are the kind of books I wish I had known about when I was around your age. I'm actually working through 3) right now! Also, don't be put off if you find the books a little hard to understand, because they actually are. More importantly, they present the same material you would learn in high school in a more thorough, yet concise way while also being more "fun". Admittedly, I don't have too much experience with 1) but I already knew the material in it, so I moved on to 3), which I should be studying concurrently with 2).

You should note that mathematics is essential for studying the sciences and their applied forms.

Good luck and have fun!
 
Simon Bridge said:
It may be interesting to discover how many people replying to you are doing physics for the money. I got into it to meet girls - smart huh?

Lol I know most physicists don't do it for the money but do they make a decent or more living? Since money is important as well. :-p
 
Mépris said:
You should also do as much math as you can!

Look into these books:

1) Basic Mathematics by Serge Lang (as recommended by micromass)
2) Elements of Algebra by Euler (as recommended by mathwonk)
3) Challenge and Thrill of Pre-College Mathematics by Krishnamurthy and Pranesachar (this one's from me!)

All three books can be pre-viewed freely and legally via Google Books and most of 2) is actually available free of charge online. 1) and 3), you will have to buy. I'd suggest you preview them and see if you like them first.

These are the kind of books I wish I had known about when I was around your age. I'm actually working through 3) right now! Also, don't be put off if you find the books a little hard to understand, because they actually are. More importantly, they present the same material you would learn in high school in a more thorough, yet concise way while also being more "fun". Admittedly, I don't have too much experience with 1) but I already knew the material in it, so I moved on to 3), which I should be studying concurrently with 2).

Thanks, I'll read 2 and try to get my hands on 1 and 3.
 
Physics careers require a lot of education and are very short. The median physicist spends a decade (4 years in undergrad, 6 of grad school) as a student for a career that lasts about 5 years after the phd. That 5 years is on short (2 or 3 year) contract work, so its not a stable situation, which can be hard if you have a significant other.

After that physicists end up all over the place (finance,insurance, sales, etc), but for the most part they won't catch up to their peers who took a more traditional (i.e. not a phd) route to their careers.
 
ParticleGrl said:
Physics careers require a lot of education and are very short. The median physicist spends a decade (4 years in undergrad, 6 of grad school) as a student for a career that lasts about 5 years after the phd. That 5 years is on short (2 or 3 year) contract work, so its not a stable situation, which can be hard if you have a significant other.

After that physicists end up all over the place (finance,insurance, sales, etc), but for the most part they won't catch up to their peers who took a more traditional (i.e. not a phd) route to their careers.

Uh... what? Physicists only have careers for 5 years? I'm confused.
 
Uh... what? Physicists only have careers for 5 years?

Yes, most physicis phds take a few postdoctoral appointments for the years after their phds, and then are forced out of the field by a lack of job opportunities. They generally start new careers in other fields, as I said (insurance, finance, etc)

There are, of course, people who land permanent positions in national labs, universities, or the semi-conductor industry BUT these are the exceptions, not the rule.
 
Few of people who graduate with a postgraduate degree in physics (and thus can be called a "physicist" without the inverted commas) will spend more than about 5 years actually working as a professional physicist after getting their degree.

Most of the physicists in the lab are actually postgrad students though - so you will get to do some physics and maybe even get paid for it for longer than the five.

You only have to count the number of professional physicists and compare with the number of graduates.

We don't do it for the end result but in spite of it.
And there is the chance that you get to spend part of your half-decade working on something cool.

On the one hand I don't want to actually discourage you when you are keen - we like to see keen bright people interested in physics. On the other hand, we'd be doing you a disservice not pointing out the downside since you mentioned money and careers. The gripping hand is that if you are interested enough to make a real go for it you won't be put off by a few hard realities.
 
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Simon Bridge said:
On the one hand I don't want to actually discourage you when you are keen - we like to see keen bright people interested in physics.

Letting someone make an informed choice isn't discouragement. I still harbor some resentment that people who should have known better blindly encouraged me to get a physics phd- making it more difficult for me to make an informed judgement.
 
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@Particle Grl, this doesn't change your point - I'm just curious why you count getting a PhD as training rather than career (since you are paid at that time, albeit poorly)?
 
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atyy said:
@Particle Grl, this doesn't change your point - I'm just curious why you count getting a PhD as training rather than career (since you are paid at that time, albeit poorly)?

The distinction is totally arbitrary- I lumped it into education because most people seem to think of phd programs as education (a side point: I often wonder if people would take such low pay if there wasn't a credential at the end of the process).

Of course, if we consider students to be career scientists, then the median career scientist in this country makes about as much per year as a full time Burger King employee (a postdoc at least manages to make about as much as a Burger King manager!)
 
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ParticleGrl said:
Letting someone make an informed choice isn't discouragement. I still harbor some resentment that people who should have known better blindly encouraged me to get a physics phd- making it more difficult for me to make an informed judgement.
Absolutely! Which is why I needed another two hands :)
 

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