A ball, thrown at a 39 degree angle, Intial X and Y velocity not given

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The problem involves a ball thrown from a height of 200 meters at an angle of 49 degrees, with a horizontal distance of 400 meters traveled. The objective is to determine the initial speed of the ball.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss separating the initial velocity into horizontal and vertical components using trigonometry. There are attempts to apply equations of motion for both horizontal and vertical components, but some express difficulty due to multiple unknowns, specifically time and initial velocities.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided hints regarding the use of trigonometric functions and equations of motion. However, there is a recognition of the challenge posed by having two variables with limited information. The discussion remains open with various interpretations being explored.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the constraints of the problem, including the lack of explicit values for initial velocities and time, which complicates the ability to solve for the initial speed directly.

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Homework Statement


A ball thrown from a 200 meter high cliff at an angle of 49 degrees. The ball traveled a distance of 400 meters from the base of the cliff. Find the Initial Speed of the ball.

O - Ball
I
I
I - Cliff 200 meters
I
I
I
I
............
Distance traveled 400 meters.

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The Attempt at a Solution


I couldn't figure out how I can find the velocity at all. I tried the time between 200 meters for the ball to fall down and factor it in but didn't get it. Somehow, I would need to find the time or at least the maximum height of the ball. Hints would be great.
 
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The trick on all these trajectory problems is to separate the initial velocity into horizontal and vertical components using trigonometry. Then make two headings, horizontal and vertical.
Under horizontal you have uniform motion (no acceleration) so you put d = vt.
Under vertical you have the acceleration of gravity, so you put
V = Vo + at and X = Xo + Vo*t + .5*a*t^2

Fill in the initial velocities and anything else you know in all three formulas. Usually you can solve one of them to find the time or something. If not, use two of them as a system of equations with 2 unknowns.
 
i tried that but there are still two variables left. The Time and Velocity of X and Y.

All that was given is the height at which the ball was thrown from, the angle it was thrown and how far it went. I can't figure out the max height to get the time of the duration or the velocities. Anyone have a solution?
 
MRGE said:
i tried that but there are still two variables left. The Time and Velocity of X and Y.

All that was given is the height at which the ball was thrown from, the angle it was thrown and how far it went. I can't figure out the max height to get the time of the duration or the velocities. Anyone have a solution?

Well, you have 2 variables ... but you also have 2 equations given by Delphi.

Fill in the values of sin39 and cos39 and simply grind it out.
 
MRGE said:

Homework Statement


A ball thrown from a 200 meter high cliff at an angle of 49 degrees. The ball traveled a distance of 400 meters from the base of the cliff. Find the Initial Speed of the ball.

O - Ball
I
I
I - Cliff 200 meters
I
I
I
I
............
Distance traveled 400 meters.

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution


I couldn't figure out how I can find the velocity at all. I tried the time between 200 meters for the ball to fall down and factor it in but didn't get it. Somehow, I would need to find the time or at least the maximum height of the ball. Hints would be great.

1. The ball would need to be thrown faster than any human can actually throw a ball, especially since it's thrown at a 49 degree angle above horizontal, but we'll assume someone mighty enough can actually achieve such throwing velocities.

2. Launch velocity hint: I know precisely what the ball's initial launch velocity is, but I won't spoil it for you. It's somewhere between 50 and 55 m/s.
 

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