A Basic Function Problem with a Limit

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The problem involves a function f defined by the equation f(x+y)=f(x)+f(y)+2xy for all real numbers x and y, along with a limit condition as h approaches zero, specifically that f(h)/h=7. Participants are tasked with finding f(0), the derivative f'(x), and the function f(x) itself.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the method for finding f(0) by substituting x and y with 0 in the original equation. There is uncertainty about the correctness of this approach. For part b, there are attempts to apply the definition of the derivative, with some confusion about the substitution of variables and the limit process. Questions arise regarding the handling of limits and the implications of the given limit condition.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring various interpretations of the limit and derivative concepts. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of limits and the structure of the derivative, but there is no explicit consensus on the correctness of the approaches taken so far.

Contextual Notes

Participants note a lack of familiarity with limits and integration, which may affect their ability to fully engage with the problem. There is also mention of imposed homework rules that restrict the use of calculators.

  • #31
Yes.
 
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  • #32
Cool! Think of a function that has 7 + 2x as its derivative.

(f + g)' = f' + g'

so you can just do it for 7 and 2x and then add the results.
 
  • #33
7x and x^2

Well, x^{2} + 7x
 
  • #34
you got it.
 
  • #35
You might want to talk to your professor or a classmate and find out what they expect you to know so that you can read up on it.
 
  • #36
DMOC said:
\lim_{h \to 0}\frac{f(h)}{h} + \lim_{h \to 0}\frac{2xh}{h}

The second part would just cancel out since it's a straight up 2xh/h problem wher ethe h's cancel. 2x remains.

f ' (x) = 7 + 2x

Just wondering, but how did you replace f(x) with 2xh?

Thanks for helping man ... are you a teacher?

But there's just one more thing I'm confused about after this problem.

\lim_{h \to 0}\frac{f(x+h) - f(x)}{h} is the formula for derivatives as h approaches zero.

However, we eventually ended up with what you see in the quotes.

\lim_{h \to 0}\frac{f(h)}{h} + \lim_{h \to 0}\frac{2xh}{h}

I had to substitute h in for y but you said that I wasn't supposed to do it, but that's how we got there ... thanks again for your help.
 
  • #37
Okay, we started with the definition of a derivative. used the fact that f(x + y) = f(x) + f(y) + 2xy to rewrite the top part of the derivative which is f(x + h) - f(x) as f(x) + f(h) + 2xh - f(x) = f(h) + 2xh.

You should be able to take it from there. Read through the thread again if you need to.
 
  • #38
Got it.

I was wondering why you seemed to have a weird "y" before I realized it was actually a strikethrough. ;)
 
  • #39
Oh my bad man! And here I thought I was being slick! I'll keep that in mind in the future. Sorry for any confusion it may have caused.
 
  • #40
No worries, got it now. :)
 

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