A bottle of water at 0'C is opened on the surface of moon. What happens and why?

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of a bottle of water at 0°C when opened on the surface of the Moon, exploring the physical processes involved, including boiling, sublimation, and the effects of the Moon's lack of atmosphere.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that sound cannot be produced due to the Moon's lack of atmosphere.
  • Others suggest that any air in the bottle and the water will rapidly escape, leading to boiling off of the remaining water.
  • One participant draws a parallel between the scenario and the behavior of ice already present on the Moon.
  • Another participant explains that the boiling point of water decreases in the absence of atmospheric pressure, suggesting that water at 0°C would not remain liquid and would boil off at a rate dependent on radiation flux.
  • There is a discussion about the terminology used, with some arguing that "boils off" may not be technically accurate, as water could sublimate instead.
  • One participant emphasizes that water at 0°C in a vacuum would be a vapor, and if initially frozen, it would sublimate to steam.
  • Another participant points out that the pressure inside the bottle is unspecified, which could affect the state of the water.
  • It is mentioned that if the water is liquid, it will quickly freeze and boil until only vapor and ice remain, with temperature changes depending on environmental conditions.
  • One participant references the use of sublimation units by Apollo astronauts for cooling and humidity control.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the behavior of water under these conditions, and the discussion remains unresolved with no consensus on specific outcomes.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding assumptions about the initial state of the water (liquid or solid), the unspecified pressure in the bottle, and the effects of radiation flux on the boiling or sublimation rates.

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A bottle of water at 0'C is opened on the surface of moon. What happens and why?
 
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It makes no sound, because the moon has no atmosphere. :rolleyes:
 
Any air in the bottle and water will rapidly escape. Any water left would then boil off.
 
Manis said:
A bottle of water at 0'C is opened on the surface of moon. What happens and why?

I imagine the same thing as what happens to the ice already on the moon.
 
but how is it possible?
 
Manis said:
but how is it possible?

How is what possible :confused:
 
It's a somewhat more complicated picture than that. Boiling point rises and lowers with increasing and decreasing atmospheric pressure. Since there is no air pressure to speak of on the moon, the boiling point should be much lower than 100C. However, in order to change from the solid (remember it's at 0 degrees initially) it starts as a chunk of ice, and boils off at a rate that depends upon the radiation flux (which would impart sufficient energy to the H2O molecules to allow them to escape). The higher the flux, the faster it boils off.
 
daveb said:
It's a somewhat more complicated picture than that. Boiling point rises and lowers with increasing and decreasing atmospheric pressure. Since there is no air pressure to speak of on the moon, the boiling point should be much lower than 100C. However, in order to change from the solid (remember it's at 0 degrees initially) it starts as a chunk of ice, and boils off at a rate that depends upon the radiation flux (which would impart sufficient energy to the H2O molecules to allow them to escape). The higher the flux, the faster it boils off.

Water is a vapor at 0 deg. C in a vacuum. If the water was initially frozen it will sublimate to steam.

[PLAIN]http://www.lsbu.ac.uk/water/images/phase.gif
 
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That's pretty much what I said. The term "boils off" isn't technically accurate (sublimates off sounds too weird) so perhaps the word choice could have been better, but the idea remains. But the rate does depend upon the radiation flux.
 
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Just because it is at 0deg celsius doesn't mean it is solid. You also didn't specify what pressure the bottle is providing, it is probably not 14.7psi. Another reason why it isn't likely to be solid.
 
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QuantumPion said:
Water is a vapor at 0 deg. C in a vacuum. If the water was initially frozen it will sublimate to steam.

This process will reduce the temperature of the water, however...it won't stay at 0 C. If liquid, it will quickly freeze and boil until it is a mixture of vapor and ice with no remaining liquid. If isolated in the shade, the ice will continue to cool as it sublimates until it gets below around 200K, at which point it'll be stable as a solid. If in the sun or exposed to other sources of heat sufficient to keep it above that temperature, it'll continue to sublimate away. The Apollo astronauts used sublimation units that used this to provide cooling and remove humidity from the air in their suits.
 

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