A bullet pushing a knot out of a wood block

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The problem involves a bullet colliding with a wooden block and pushing out a knot. The bullet's mass is given, along with the mass of the block and the knot, the time taken for the bullet to pass through the block, and the acceleration experienced by the bullet. The goal is to determine the initial velocity of the bullet using principles of momentum and acceleration.

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Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of conservation of momentum and question whether the momentum of the block changes during the interaction. There are considerations of using acceleration to find the initial velocity of the bullet.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring different approaches to the problem, with some suggesting the use of kinematic equations while others express confusion about the correct method. There is acknowledgment of potential errors in rearranging equations, and a more realistic value for the bullet's initial velocity is suggested.

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Some participants note the distracting information in the problem statement and question the relevance of certain details. There is a focus on the need to clarify the relationship between the bullet's deceleration and its initial velocity.

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Homework Statement


You shoot a 0.0050-kg bullet into a 2.0-kg wooden block at rest on a horizontal surface (Figure 1) . After hitting dead center on a hard knot that runs through the block horizontally, the bullet pushes out the knot. It takes the bullet 1.0 ms to travel through the block, and as it does so, it experiences an x component of acceleration of -4.9 × 105 m/s2. After the bullet pushes the knot out, the knot and bullet together have an x component of velocity of +10 m/s. The knot carries 10% of the original inertia of the block.
What is the initial velocity of the bullet?

Homework Equations


Conservation of momentum equation
pi=pf
m1v1i+m2v2i=m1v1f+m2v2f

The Attempt at a Solution


v1f= (0.2)(10)+0.005(10)/ 0.005
=410m/s
the 0.2 came from the 10% of 2kg wooden block (knot)
this answer is incorrect but i am unsure where my error is and what simple step i have missed
 
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emily081715 said:
what simple step i have missed
emily081715 said:
1.0 ms to travel through the block,
Does the momentum of the block change?
 
Bystander said:
Does the momentum of the block change?
no the momentum of the block would not change since its still at rest, only the knot moves
 
emily081715 said:
no the momentum of the block would not change since its still at rest, only the knot moves
Do you know the required answer?

In any case, I suspect the rest of the block does move, and as you don't know its speed you can't use conservation of momentum.
 
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PeroK said:
Do you know the required answer?

In any case, I suspect the rest of the block does move, and as you don't know its speed you can't use conservation of momentum.
no i don't know the final answer. if i do not use conservation of momentum, will i be using something with the acceleration
 
emily081715 said:
no i don't know the final answer. if i do not use conservation of momentum, will i be using something with the acceleration
That's not a bad idea.
 
PeroK said:
That's not a bad idea.
how though? f=ma?
 
Hey Emily! ;)

There's quite some distracting information there.
But let's see...
Initially the bullet has some unknown speed ##v_0##.
Then it was decelerated with ##-4.9 × 10^5\text{ m/s}^2## during ##1 \text{ ms}##.
And afterwards it has speed ##10\text{ m/s}##.
Is that sufficient information? :sorry:
 
I like Serena said:
Hey Emily! ;)

There's quite some distracting information there.
But let's see...
Initially the bullet has some unknown speed ##v_0##.
Then it was decelerated with ##-4.9 × 10^5\text{ m/s}^2## during ##1 \text{ ms}##.
And afterwards it has speed ##10\text{ m/s}##.
Is that sufficient information? :sorry:
i am now confused as to what approach to take
 
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emily081715 said:
i am now confused as to what approach to take

How about ##v=v_0 + at## (since we have constant deceleration)?
 
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I like Serena said:
How about ##v=v_0 + at## (since we have constant deceleration)?
I like Serena said:
How about ##v=v_0 + at## (since we have constant deceleration)?
so to rearrange for
vi=vf/at
=10/(−4.9×105 m/s2)(0.001s)
=0.02
i don't think i did this correctly because the bullet would need to travel much faster then that
 
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emily081715 said:
so to rearrange for
vi=vf/at
=10/(−4.9×105 m/s2)(0.001s)
=0.02
i don't think i did this correctly because the bullet would need to travel much faster then that

I agree. The bullet must travel much faster than that - at least more than 10 m/s.
Perhaps the rearrangement isn't quite correct?
 
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I like Serena said:
I agree. The bullet must travel much faster than that - at least more than 10 m/s.
Perhaps the rearrangement isn't quite correct?
you are right my rearrangement was incorrect
 
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emily081715 said:
you are right my rearrangement was incorrect
i divided when i should've subtracted, that means the vi=500m/s which is more realistic and correct. thanks
 
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