Kinematics problem - Bullet in block of wood

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The problem involves a 3.50kg block of wood at rest on a 1.75m high fencepost, which topples after being struck by a 12.0g bullet fired horizontally. The task is to determine the bullet's speed just before the collision based on the block's subsequent motion.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of kinematic equations to find time of fall and horizontal velocity, applying conservation of momentum to relate the bullet's initial velocity to the system's final velocity. Some express uncertainty about the high calculated bullet speed and question the implications of the block's motion described as "toppling."

Discussion Status

There are multiple interpretations of the problem, particularly regarding the energy transfer during the collision and the implications of the block's motion. Some participants have provided guidance on the calculations, while others have raised questions about the assumptions made in the setup.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential issues with significant figures and the assumption that the bullet remains in the block after impact, which is not explicitly stated in the problem. There is also concern about the realism of the bullet's speed given the mass of the block.

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Homework Statement


A 3.50kg block of wood is at rest on a 1.75-m high fencepost. When a 12.0g bullet is fired horizontally into the block, the block topples off the post and lands 1.25m away. What was the speed of the bullet immediately before the collision?The attempt at a solution
d=1/2at^2
t=*sqrt(2d-vertical-)/a
t=*sqrt[(2)(1.75m)/(9.81m/s^2)
t= 0.597309633s

d= vt
vf = d(horizontal)/t
vf= 1.25m/0.597309633m/s^2
vf= 2.09216961m/s

Conservation of momentum (P1+P2)before = (Psystem) after
(m of bullet * vi of bullet) + (m of block * vi of block) = (m of system * vf of system)
(0.012kg*vi) + (0) = (3.512kg*2.09216961m/s)
(0.012kg)vi = 7.349621967kg*m/s
vi = 7.349621967kg/.012kg
vi = 612.4684m/s

The initial velocity seems a bit high and I'm not sure how else to approach the question. Help please! :)
 
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paytona said:

Homework Statement


A 3.50kg block of wood is at rest on a 1.75-m high fencepost. When a 12.0g bullet is fired horizontally into the block, the block topples off the post and lands 1.25m away. What was the speed of the bullet immediately before the collision?


The attempt at a solution
d=1/2at^2
t=*sqrt(2d-vertical-)/a
t=*sqrt[(2)(1.75m)/(9.81m/s^2)
t= 0.597309633s

d= vt
vf = d(horizontal)/t
vf= 1.25m/0.597309633m/s^2
vf= 2.09216961m/s

Conservation of momentum (P1+P2)before = (Psystem) after
(m of bullet * vi of bullet) + (m of block * vi of block) = (m of system * vf of system)
(0.012kg*vi) + (0) = (3.512kg*2.09216961m/s)
(0.012kg)vi = 7.349621967kg*m/s
vi = 7.349621967kg/.012kg
vi = 612.4684m/s

The initial velocity seems a bit high and I'm not sure how else to approach the question. Help please! :)
looks good! Bullets travel mighty fast.
 
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Apart from too many significant figures in the final answer, I do not see anything wrong in your solution. And 612 m/s is not too high for a bullet.
 
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One cause for concern: it says "topples". That implies a rolling movement, so some of the energy has gone into rotation.
 
paytona said:

Homework Statement


A 3.50kg block of wood is at rest on a 1.75-m high fencepost. When a 12.0g bullet is fired horizontally into the block, the block topples off the post and lands 1.25m away. What was the speed of the bullet immediately before the collision?


The attempt at a solution
d=1/2at^2
t=*sqrt(2d-vertical-)/a
t=*sqrt[(2)(1.75m)/(9.81m/s^2)
t= 0.597309633s

d= vt
vf = d(horizontal)/t
vf= 1.25m/0.597309633m/s^2
vf= 2.09216961m/s

Conservation of momentum (P1+P2)before = (Psystem) after
(m of bullet * vi of bullet) + (m of block * vi of block) = (m of system * vf of system)
(0.012kg*vi) + (0) = (3.512kg*2.09216961m/s)
Why are you multiplying by 3.512kg?

AM
 
Andrew Mason said:
Why are you multiplying by 3.512kg?

AM

Mass of block+bullet?
 
haruspex said:
Mass of block+bullet?
The problem does not say that the bullet stays in the block but perhaps it is implied. I cannot imagine how a 3.5kg block of wood is going to stop a 12g rifle bullet at 2000 feet per second.

AM
 

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