A Circuit with Nonlinear Element—finding element's current & voltage

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around analyzing a circuit that includes a nonlinear element, focusing on determining the current and voltage across that element. Participants explore various approaches to solve the problem, including circuit simplification and the application of load lines.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a set of equations based on Kirchhoff's laws, expressing uncertainty about how to simplify them effectively.
  • Another participant suggests considering the maximum values of current and voltage for the nonlinear element, indicating that the resistance is only valid within a specific range.
  • A different participant recommends simplifying the circuit using a Thevenin equivalent and questions whether the concept of load lines has been covered, noting their usefulness for nonlinear devices.
  • One participant provides a numerical example involving specific values for current and resistance, suggesting a method for recalculating the current iteratively to find a consistent value.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing approaches to the problem, with no consensus on a single method or solution. The discussion remains unresolved as various strategies are proposed without agreement on their effectiveness.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the circuit's behavior and the applicability of certain equations are not fully detailed, and the range of validity for the resistance is noted but not specified. The discussion also reflects a lack of clarity on the application of load lines in this context.

JessicaHelena
Messages
188
Reaction score
3
Homework Statement
Lem bought a mystery apparatus at an electrical flea market. One element in the apparatus was unmarked and not obviously identified, but when he measured its behavior in a curve tracer he found that it was a nonlinear resistor with the characteristic shown in Figure 1.

In the circuit that Lem found this the strange element, it was connected to a power supply of 𝑉𝑠=5.0 V with a series resistance of 𝑅𝑠=4700.0Ω and it was shunted with a parallel resistance of 𝑅𝑝=8200.0Ω . (Refer to Figure 2.)

1. What is the current (in Amperes) through the strange object when it is in operation in the circuit?

2. What is the voltage (in Volts) across the strange object when it is in operation in the circuit?
Relevant Equations
KVL, KCL
I don't really understand or see the correct way to approach this.

Letting the current in question be ##i_x## (as shown in Fig. 1), and the unknown (changing) resistance be $R_x$, I can write:
##-V_s + R_s i_s + i_x R_x = 0##, and ##R_p i_p = i_x R_x##. Hence we can also write ##-V_s + R_s i_s + R_p i_p = 0##.

From KCL I have that ##i_s = i_p + i_x##.

Also, ##i_s = V_s/(R_s + \frac{1}{\frac{1}{R_x} + \frac{1}{R_p}}).##

Then I have an equation that looks like ##V_s + R_pi_x = (R_s + R_p) \cdot i_s##, which doesn't seem to simplify at all...
 

Attachments

  • Figure 1.png
    Figure 1.png
    995 bytes · Views: 291
  • Figure 2.png
    Figure 2.png
    716 bytes · Views: 282
Physics news on Phys.org
JessicaHelena said:
way to approach this
You can ask yourself 'what is the maximum ##i_x## and what is the maximum ##V_x## ?

Note that the suggestive form ##R_x## is only applicable in a certain range of ##V_x## and ##i_x##, you want to check what range applies !
 
I might suggest that you first simplify the circuit, combining the known conventional components into a Thevenin equivalent.

Question: Have you covered the concept of load lines in your course? These are very handy when a device has non-linear characteristics. Transistors are a good example of this where you can draw a load line over the characteristic curves to find the operating point.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: BvU
Up to ix=1 mA Rx=1/0.001=1000 ohm

If ix>1mA[0.001 A] then (vx-1)/(ix-1/1000)=(3-1)/[(2-1)/1000]- ix in A.

Take ix=0.001 A then Rx=1000 ohm and recalculate ix.Then reuse the resulted ix. If you get the same ix eventually that's what you're looking for.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
2K
Replies
0
Views
2K
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K
Replies
9
Views
1K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K