A compact, B closed Disjoint subsets of Metric Space then d(A,B)=0

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The discussion centers on the relationship between compact and closed subsets in a metric space, specifically exploring whether the distance between a compact subset A and a closed subset B, denoted as d(A,B), can be zero when A and B are disjoint. Participants are examining proofs and alternative approaches related to this concept.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant defines d(A,B) as inf{d(a,b): a in A, b in B} and argues that the compactness of A ensures the existence of a point in A such that d(a,B)=0, leading to a contradiction if A and B are disjoint.
  • Another participant suggests an alternative proof involving the continuity of the map x→inf{d(x,b): b in B} and the properties of continuous functions on compact sets.
  • A third participant questions whether the original claim should state d(A,B)≠0, indicating a potential misunderstanding or miscommunication regarding the proof's intent.
  • A follow-up inquiry is made about extending the argument to show that if A and B are disjoint compact subsets and d(A,B)=c>0, then there exist points a in A and b in B such that d(a,b)=c, suggesting further exploration of the properties of distances in metric spaces.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying interpretations of the original claim, with some agreeing on the validity of the proof while others raise questions about its implications. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the extension of the argument to the case where d(A,B) is greater than zero.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions about the nature of the subsets A and B, particularly concerning their disjointness and the implications of compactness and closedness in the context of metric spaces.

Bacle
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Hi, All:
Let X be a metric space and let A be a compact subset of X, B a closed subset of X. I am trying to show this implies that d(A,B)=0.
Please critique my proof:

First, we define d(A,B) as inf{d(a,b): a in A, b in B}. We then show that compactness of A forces the existence of a in A with d(a,B)=0 (note that A,B both closed is not enough; a counterexample is given by S={(x,0)} and S':={(x,1/x):x>0}, both in $\mathbb R$.

If d(A,B)=0, then there are sequences ${a_n}$ in A and ${b_n}$ in B such that
$d(a_n,b_n)<1/n$. Since A is compact+metric (as a closed subset of X-metric), there
exists a subsequence $a_{n_k}$ of ${a_n}$ with $a_{n_k}$-->a (since A is compact and X is Hausdorff--on golf :) -- A is also closed, so that a is in A ). Then a_{n_k} is Cauchy, there is an integer j with :

$d(a_{n_k}, a)$< 1/2n for j>k,m

and

$d(b_{n_k},a_{n_k})$ <1/2n , j>k

By triangle inequality, for every index a_{n_k} with k> j , we have $d(b_{n_k},a)<1/n

so that d(a,B)=0 .

But in a compact metric space X, the closure of a subset B consists of the set of points {x} in X with d(x,B)=0 , so a is in the closure of B. But B is closed to start with, so a belongs to both A,B, contradicting the assumption that A,B are disjoint.
 
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Your proof seems good. An other way is the following: prove that the map x\mapsto \inf_{b\in B}\, d(x,b) is continuous, and use the fact that a continuous function on a compact gets its min. Since A and B are disjoint, this min is positive and you can conclude.
 
Bacle said:
Hi, All:
Let X be a metric space and let A be a compact subset of X, B a closed subset of X. I am trying to show this implies that d(A,B)=0.

Certainly you meant d(A,B)\neq 0??

Your proof seems to be ok...
 
Thanks, Both; a followup, please:

I wonder if we can extend the argument to show that if A,B are disjoint compact subsets of X metric, and d(A,B)=c >0 , then there are points a,b in A,B respectively,
with d(a,b)=c, i.e., the distance value is actually reached:

We use again the sequences {a_n}, {b_n}, so that d(a_n,b_n)<1/n , and then there are respective subsequences {a_n_k} and {b_n_j} of {a_n},{b_n} respectively, with
{a_n}->a and {b_n}->b , so that d(a,B)=d(A,b)=c.
 
Bacle said:
Thanks, Both; a followup, please:

I wonder if we can extend the argument to show that if A,B are disjoint compact subsets of X metric, and d(A,B)=c >0 , then there are points a,b in A,B respectively,
with d(a,b)=c, i.e., the distance value is actually reached:

We use again the sequences {a_n}, {b_n}, so that d(a_n,b_n)<1/n , and then there are respective subsequences {a_n_k} and {b_n_j} of {a_n},{b_n} respectively, with
{a_n}->a and {b_n}->b , so that d(a,B)=d(A,b)=c.

That's good!
 

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