A couple of integration problems

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The discussion revolves around two integration problems involving definite integrals: one with a polynomial function and the other with trigonometric functions. Participants are examining the steps taken to evaluate these integrals and whether further simplification is necessary.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the evaluation of the integrals, questioning whether the results obtained are final or if additional simplification is required. There is also a focus on potential arithmetic errors in the simplification process.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on the correctness of the arithmetic and the necessity of simplification. Some guidance has been offered regarding the simplification of results, but there is no explicit consensus on the final answers.

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Participants are navigating the requirements of their homework, which may impose constraints on how solutions should be presented, particularly regarding simplification and the accuracy of arithmetic operations.

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Homework Statement


a) S(4 is higher limit, 0 is lower limit) (x^4 - x^2 + 1)dx

b) S(pi is higher limit, -pi is lower limit) (cosx + sinx)dx


Homework Equations



The S is the integration sign

The Attempt at a Solution



a) = ((x^5)/5)-((x^3)/3)+x I(4 high, 0 low)

= (((4^5)/5)-((4^3)/3)+4)-(0)

Is this the final solution or is there another step i don't know about?

b) = (sinx + -cosx) dx I(pi high, -pi low)
= (sin(pi)-cos(pi))-(sin(-pi)-cos(-pi))

Is this the final solution?
 
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While your answers are technically correct, you should simplify them both. Put in the values of ##\cos \pi## and ##\sin \pi##.
 
so basically:

(0-1)-(0-1)?
 
Cacophony said:
so basically:

(0-1)-(0-1)?

You consider that simplified? What's your final answer?
 
0 right
 
do I simplify the first one aswell? Cause someone said I didn't have to.
 
0 is the correct answer, but I'm not sure you didn't make a couple of cancelling arithmetic mistakes along the way. In post #3 it appears you made the following step:

(sin(pi)-cos(pi))-(sin(-pi)-cos(-pi))
= (0-1)-(0-1)

The arithmetic in that step has two errors. With regard to your first one, I wouldn't consider it simplified until it is a single fraction reduced to lowest terms.
 
I'm not following. What do you mean reduced to lowest terms?
 
Cacophony said:
I'm not following. What do you mean reduced to lowest terms?

(((4^5)/5)-((4^3)/3)+4)-(0)

I mean combine the three terms into a single fraction; get rid of all those parentheses.

A fraction is reduced to lowest terms when the numerator and denominator have no common factors. For example, you wouldn't leave an answer as ##\frac{42}{30}## when it could be reduced to ##\frac{7}{5}##.
 

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