A fairly easy vector calculus identity question?

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The discussion revolves around simplifying a vector calculus expression related to fluid dynamics, specifically involving the fluid velocity vector and the gradient operator. The original poster expresses uncertainty about the order of operations in the expression involving the dot product and the gradient.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the interpretation of the expression \(\vec{v}\cdot (\vec{v}\cdot\nabla )\vec{v}\) and its simplification. Questions arise regarding the notation used and the implications of tensor notation. There is also a discussion about whether a rewritten form of the expression is indeed simpler.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the notation and potential simplifications. Some guidance has been offered regarding the interpretation of the expression, but there is no explicit consensus on the simplicity of the rewritten form.

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There is mention of specific conditions under which simplifications might be possible, such as the assumption of divergence-less velocity fields. The original poster's discomfort with the Navier-Stokes equations is noted, indicating a broader context of complexity in fluid dynamics.

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I'm working on simplifying a big physical expression (I don't like the Navier-Stokes equations at all anymore), and I'm curious how to simplify the following term:

<br /> <br /> \vec{v}\cdot (\vec{v}\cdot\nabla )\vec{v}<br /> <br />

where v is a fluid velocity - i.e. definitely spatially varying.

I'm just not sure about the order of operations here.
 
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The operator between the brackets is a differential operator which acts to the right

\vec{v}\cdot\nabla = v_i \partial _i

So your whole expression is nothing but

v_j v_i\partial_i v_j

a scalar.
 
Sorry - I'm not sure what you mean by that subscript notation.

I know v dotted with nabla is an operator on the v on the far right, and I know the result will be a scalar. I just don't know how I could re-write that expression in a simpler fashion.
 
Well, it's the handy tensor notation using Einstein's summing notation. Nothing more.

You can't write that in a simpler fashion, unless v is subject to some conditions (divergence-less for example).
 
Actually, I finally did manage to rewrite it. (although I'm not familiar with Einstein's tensor notation)

Assuming my math is correct, the following equality should hold:

<br /> <br /> \vec{v}\cdot (\vec{v}\cdot\nabla )\vec{v} = \frac{1}{2}(\vec{v}\cdot\nabla )v^2<br /> <br />
 
Sure, you're right. But is that really simpler ? I can say it's shorter, it takes less space on a piece of paper.
 

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