Can Vector Calculus Verify This Identity?

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The discussion revolves around verifying a vector calculus identity involving the divergence and gradient of vector and scalar fields, specifically the identity \(\vec{\Omega} \cdot \nabla n = \nabla \cdot \vec{\Omega} n\). The subject area includes vector algebra and its application in reactor physics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of the divergence product rule and question the validity of the identity under certain conditions. There is an exploration of the definitions of the variables involved, particularly \(\vec{\Omega}\) and \(n\), and their implications in the context of the problem.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided clarifications regarding the notation and the nature of the variables. There is ongoing exploration of the conditions under which the identity might hold, with one participant questioning whether \(\nabla \cdot \vec{\Omega} = 0\) could be justified in the physical context.

Contextual Notes

It is noted that \(n\) is not a trivial function and is related to reactor physics, where \(\vec{\Omega}\) represents a neutron direction unit vector. The problem is framed as a general identity, but specific characteristics of the functions involved are under discussion.

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Homework Statement


Use your knowledge of vector algebra to verify the following identity:

<br /> \vec{\Omega} \cdot \nabla n = \nabla \cdot \vec{\Omega} n<br /> <br />

Homework Equations



Divergence product rule
<br /> \nabla \cdot (\vec{F} \phi) = \nabla (\phi) \cdot \vec{F} + \phi (\nabla \cdot \vec{F})<br />

The Attempt at a Solution



By the product rule,

<br /> \nabla \cdot (\vec{\Omega} n) = \nabla n \cdot \vec{\Omega} + n (\nabla \cdot \vec{\Omega})<br />

Therefore,

<br /> \vec{\Omega} \cdot \nabla n = \nabla \cdot \vec{\Omega} n = \nabla \cdot (\vec{\Omega} n) = \nabla n \cdot \vec{\Omega} + n (\nabla \cdot \vec{\Omega})<br />

and

<br /> 0 = n (\nabla \cdot \vec{\Omega})<br />

I'm not quite sure what I'm doing wrong. Maybe it's a grouping thing. Any help would be appreciated.
 
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It would help us if you would explain your notation. What is \vec{\Omega}? Is it a general vector function? And what is n?
 
edit: Confirmed that omega is an arbitrary vector and n is a scalar.

Sorry about that. I believe omega is a general vector function and n is simply a scalar -- it is not specified but imo the problem statement phrases it as like it is a general identity. This is for a reactor physics course and which features
<br /> \vec{\Omega}<br />
and
<br /> n<br />
but in that case n is no trivial function
<br /> n=f(r,E,\vec{\Omega},t)<br />
and
<br /> \vec{\Omega}<br /> is the neutron direction unit vector.
 
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nsiderbam said:

Homework Statement


Use your knowledge of vector algebra to verify the following identity:

<br /> \vec{\Omega} \cdot \nabla n = \nabla \cdot \vec{\Omega} n<br /> <br />

Homework Equations



Divergence product rule
<br /> \nabla \cdot (\vec{F} \phi) = \nabla (\phi) \cdot \vec{F} + \phi (\nabla \cdot \vec{F})<br />

The Attempt at a Solution



By the product rule,

<br /> \nabla \cdot (\vec{\Omega} n) = \nabla n \cdot \vec{\Omega} + n (\nabla \cdot \vec{\Omega})<br />

That would give your result if ##\nabla\cdot\Omega = 0##. Is there some reason from the physical situation for why that would be true?
 
\vec{\Omega}\cdot\nabla n= \nabla\cdot \left(\vec{\Omega}n\right)
is certainly NOT true in general.
For example, if \vec{\Omega}= x\vec{i}+ y\vec{j}+ z\vec{k} and n= x^2 then \vec{\Omega}n= x^3\vec{i}+ x^2y\vec{j}+ x^2z\vec{k} and \nabla\cdot \left(\vec{\Omega}n\right)= 3x^2+ x^2+ x^2= 4x^2 while \vec{\Omega}\cdot\nabla n= (x\vec{i}+ y\vec{j}+ z\vec{k})\cdot(2x\vec{i})= 2x^2
 

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