A First Course in General Relativity by Schutz

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The discussion revolves around the book "A First Course in General Relativity" by Bernard Schutz, focusing on its suitability as an introductory text for general relativity (GR) and its treatment of related mathematical concepts, particularly differential geometry and tensors. Participants share their experiences and opinions on the book's strengths and weaknesses compared to other texts in the field.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants consider Schutz's book a great introduction to special relativity and tensors, praising its accessibility despite its non-rigorous mathematical approach.
  • Others express dissatisfaction with the book's treatment of differential geometry, suggesting it avoids rigorous mathematical foundations in favor of a more physics-oriented perspective.
  • A participant notes that while Schutz's book is easy to read, it may not be suitable for those already familiar with smooth manifolds, recommending more advanced texts like Wald or Carroll for deeper mathematical rigor.
  • Some argue that Schutz's book is beneficial for beginners who may not be ready for graduate-level texts, while others feel it may move too slowly for those with prior knowledge.
  • There is mention of alternative texts, such as Rindler's book on special relativity, which some participants believe covers important topics that Schutz does not address.
  • One participant reflects on their personal journey with GR textbooks, noting that while Schutz was a good starting point, they eventually sought more advanced materials.
  • Another participant suggests that Schutz, along with other introductory texts, provides a strong foundation for transitioning to more advanced treatments of GR.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of agreement and disagreement regarding the effectiveness of Schutz's book as an introductory text. While some appreciate its accessibility, others critique its lack of rigor in mathematical treatment, indicating a lack of consensus on its overall value.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in Schutz's treatment of differential geometry and the varying expectations of readers based on their prior knowledge. The discussion reflects differing preferences for introductory versus comprehensive texts in the field of general relativity.

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One of the best intros to the subject if you are ok with non rigorous mathematics. The chapter on gravitational waves is jut plain awesome from a physics standpoint.
 
This book is a great place to learn special relativity, maybe the best. It also has a very nice introduction to tensors. So I strongly recommend the book for those parts of it. If you want to learn SR and the most basic stuff about tensors3, in my opinion, this is the book to buy.

When I got to the part about GR, I didn't like its treatment of differential geometry, so I started learning differential geometry from Spivak1 and general relativity mainly from Wald2.

This book has a reputation for being the easiest (or at least one of the easiest) introductions to GR, and it probably is. But the reason it's easy is that it does everything it can to avoid differential geometry.


*) Spivak is very good, but I think Lee is better.
**) Wald is very good, but people seem to like Carroll better. (I haven't even looked inside it, so I don't know).
***) It explains dual spaces, dual bases, and multilinear maps ##T:V_1\times\cdots\times V_n\to\mathbb R##, where each ##V_i## is either V or its dual V*, and V is an arbitrary finite-dimensional vector space. This is the most basic stuff about tensors. In differential geometry (and therefore in GR), V is a tangent space of a smooth manifold, but if I recall correctly, Schutz doesn't really explain those concepts. So the book has an excellent treatment of tensors outside of the context of differential geometry, but a (deliberately) very weak presentation of differential geometry.
 
Fredrik said:
This book has a reputation for being the easiest (or at least one of the easiest) introductions to GR, and it probably is. But the reason it's easy is that it does everything it can to avoid differential geometry...

So the book has an excellent treatment of tensors outside of the context of differential geometry, but a (deliberately) very weak presentation of differential geometry.
This seems to be true of many *undergraduate* GR texts. They all seem to take this "physics first" standpoint which may work for some undergraduate students but me personally I cannot stand all the hand waving. If you are just coming out of your first intermediate mechanics class then this book or Hartle will probably do you justice but if you have already learned smooth manifolds (I have looked at spivak's volume 1 and the problems are brutal compared to the ones in Lee haha) then this kind of book would probably move too slowly in terms of the mathematics. In that case Wald is probably a *considerably* better choice (or Carroll but like you I think Wald is better because he is more precise with the math). The thing is though, books like Wald tend to focus on the math SO much that the down to Earth physics gets totally lost and for things like that a book like this would be pretty good (like I said the chapters on gravitational waves and the one on interior solutions for stars). Anyways if the person wanting to start GR feels he/she is not ready to do a graduate level text but finds the math in the typical US undergraduate texts like Hartle move too slow I still hold strong that the book by Hughston and Tod works well to bridge the gap but it assumes prior knowledge of SR (this book is used for undergraduate applied math majors at Oxford). By the way Fredrik have you checked out the book on SR by Rindler. IMO that book is the best out there for SR; it covers things like Thomas Precession which Schutz doesn't.
 
WannabeNewton said:
By the way Fredrik have you checked out the book on SR by Rindler. IMO that book is the best out there for SR; it covers things like Thomas Precession which Schutz doesn't.
I have not. I mean, I know I've had a quick look inside it at some point, but I don't even remember what I thought at the time.

I don't mind if a book leaves out specific things that can be useful or interesting. I would say that there are two main types of books, introductory texts and reference texts. Books like Spivak and MTW belong to the latter category; they try to cover everything. What I require from an introductory text isn't complete coverage. I just want it to explain the most basic things really well.
 
This was my first GR textbook. It certainly got the job done, and I've yet to find anything else I'd recommend to a beginner. It certainly wasn't my last GR textbook though. You'll definitely want a more advanced text once you've given this one a read-through.
 
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This book alongside "Gravity - An Introduction To Einstein General Relativity" by James Hartell & "Relativity, Gravitation & Cosmology - A Basic Introduction" by Ta-Pei Cheng make strong foundation for more advanced treatments such as "Gravitation - Foundation & Frontiers" by T.Padmanabhan & "General Relativity" by R.Wald
 

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