A Force Depending on Velocity and Displacement

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The problem involves a body of mass 1 kg moving under the influence of a force that depends on its displacement and velocity. The force is given by the equation ##\frac{\sqrt{x-1}}{v^2}##, where ##v## is the velocity. The body starts at rest 1 meter from the origin, and the task is to express displacement in terms of time and find when displacement and acceleration are equal in magnitude.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss various approaches to relate displacement, velocity, and acceleration using calculus. Some suggest using trial functions to simplify the equations, while others explore different forms of the equations to derive relationships between the variables.

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Several participants have shared their attempts and insights, with one noting a shift in approach that seems to yield better results. There is an ongoing exploration of different methods, including the use of specific trial functions and integration techniques. While some participants express confidence in their approaches, there is no explicit consensus on a single method or solution yet.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the information they can use or the methods they can apply. The initial conditions and the nature of the force are central to the discussion, and assumptions about the relationships between displacement, velocity, and acceleration are being questioned.

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Homework Statement


A body of mass 1 kg moves so that at time ##t## seconds, its displacement is ##x## meters from a fixed origin. The body is acted upon by a force of ##\frac{\sqrt{x-1}}{v^2}## Newtons, where ##v## is the velocity in m/s. The body is initially at rest 1 meter North of the origin. Express ##x## in terms of ##t## and hence find the point in time when the displacement and acceleration have the same magnitude. Express all answers correct to 3 significant figures.

Homework Equations


Using calculus to convert between displacement, velocity and acceleration
##a=\frac{dv}{dt}=\frac{d^2x}{dt^2}=v\cdot \frac{dv}{dx}##
##v=\frac{dx}{dt}##
##a=f\left(x\right),\ \frac{d^2x}{dt^2}=f\left(x\right),\ \left(\frac{dx}{dt}\right)^2=2\int _{ }^{ }f\left(x\right)dx,\ v^2=2\int _{ }^{ }f\left(x\right)dx##

The Attempt at a Solution


##a=\frac{\sqrt{x-1}}{v^2}##, ##v^2=\frac{\sqrt{x-1}}{a}## (equation 1)
Using the last rule in the relevant equations:
##v^2=2\int _{ }^{ }\frac{\sqrt{x-1}}{v^2}dx## (equation 2)
Substituting the first equation into the second:
##\frac{\sqrt{x-1}}{a}=2\int _{ }^{ }\frac{\sqrt{x-1}}{\left(\frac{\sqrt{x-1}}{a}\right)}dx=2\int _{ }^{ }adx##
##\int _{ }^{ }adx=\frac{\sqrt{x-1}}{2a}##
##a=\frac{d\left(\frac{\sqrt{x-1}}{2a}\right)}{dx}##
##a=\frac{\left(\frac{a}{\sqrt{x-1}}-2\sqrt{x-1}\cdot \frac{da}{dx}\right)}{4a^2}##
##4a^3=\frac{a}{\sqrt{x-1}}-2\sqrt{x-1}\cdot \frac{da}{dx}##
##-2\sqrt{x-1}\cdot \frac{da}{dx}=4a^3=\frac{a}{\sqrt{x-1}}##
##\frac{da}{dx}=\frac{a}{2\left(x-1\right)}-\frac{2a^3}{\sqrt{x-1}}##

From here I'm not sure how to simplify this further. Any help is greatly appreciated :)
 
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I believe I solved it, and the approach is much different. I won't give you the answer, but I will lead you to it. Start with ## (\frac{d^2x}{dt^2})(\frac{dx}{dt})^2=\sqrt{x-1} ##. Look for a simple trial function for ## x=x(t) ## that will simplify the right side. The obvious choice is ## x(t)=t^n +1 ##. Try to solve for ## n ## and see what you get. This one is not the answer yet=but start with that, and see if you can get close.
 
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Charles Link said:
I believe I solved it, and the approach is much different. I won't give you the answer, but I will lead you to it. Start with ## (\frac{d^2x}{dt^2})(\frac{dx}{dt})^2=\sqrt{x-1} ##. Look for a simple trial function for ## x=x(t) ## that will simplify the right side. The obvious choice is ## x(t)=t^n +1 ##. Try to solve for ## n ## and see what you get. This one is not the answer yet=but start with that, and see if you can get close.
Thanks for the advice :) I'll start working through some trial functions
 
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Update: I just noticed that the formula ##a=v\cdot \frac{dv}{dx}## works a lot better in this scenario. Almost all the previous questions I was doing were using ##a=2\int _{ }^{ }f\left(x\right)dx## so I kind of got tunnel vision of only using that formula.

##a=\frac{\sqrt{x-1}}{v^2}##
##v\cdot \frac{dv}{dx}=\frac{\sqrt{x-1}}{v^2}##
##v^3\cdot dv=\sqrt{x-1}\cdot dx##
##\int _{ }^{ }v^3dv=\int _{ }^{ }\sqrt{x-1}dx##
##\frac{v^4}{4}=\frac{2}{3}\left(x-1\right)^{\frac{3}{2}}+c##

"The body is initially at rest 1 meter North of the origin"
##x=1, v=0##
Therefore, ##c=0##

##\frac{v^4}{4}=\frac{2}{3}\left(x-1\right)^{\frac{3}{2}}##
##v=\left(\frac{8}{3}\left(x-1\right)^{\frac{3}{2}}\right)^{\frac{1}{4}}##
##\frac{dx}{dt}=\left(\frac{8}{3}\left(x-1\right)^{\frac{3}{2}}\right)^{\frac{1}{4}}##
##\frac{dt}{dx}=\frac{1}{\left(\frac{8}{3}\left(x-1\right)^{\frac{3}{2}}\right)^{\frac{1}{4}}}##
##t=\int _{ }^{ }\frac{1}{\left(\frac{8}{3}\left(x-1\right)^{\frac{3}{2}}\right)^{\frac{1}{4}}}dx##
##t=\frac{4\cdot 6^{\frac{1}{4}}\left(x-1\right)}{5\left(x-1\right)^{\frac{3}{8}}}+c##

Initially the particle is 1 m from the origin: ##t=0, x=0##. Therefore, ##c=0##

##t=\frac{4\cdot 6^{\frac{1}{4}}\left(x-1\right)}{5\left(x-1\right)^{\frac{3}{8}}}##
##\frac{5t}{4\cdot 6^{\frac{1}{4}}}=\left(x-1\right)^{\frac{5}{8}}##

##x\left(t\right)=\left(\frac{5t}{4\cdot 6^{\frac{1}{4}}}\right)^{\frac{8}{5}}+1##

##v(t)=\frac{dx}{dt}=\left(\frac{5^{\frac{3}{5}}}{2^{\frac{3}{5}}\cdot 3^{\frac{2}{5}}}\right)t^{\frac{3}{5}}##

##a(t)=\frac{dv}{dt}=\frac{\left(\frac{3}{2}\right)^{\frac{3}{5}}}{5^{\frac{2}{5}}}t^{-\frac{2}{5}}##

Then to find the point in time when the magnitudes are equal we just solve ##x(t)=a(t)## which gave me ##t=0.291## (which was the answer in the book)

So this wasn't actually that difficult of a question once I actually started using the right formula haha.
 
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Very good ! :) :) ## \\ ## In my way of solving it, ultimately the solution is to let ## x=ct^n+1 ##. You then solve for ## n ## by setting the powers of ## t ## equal on both sides of the equation, and likewise for ## c ##.
 
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