A good intersting physics book

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The discussion revolves around recommendations for physics books, particularly for individuals who have an aversion to mechanics. Participants explore various perspectives on the necessity of mechanics in understanding advanced physics topics, such as quantum mechanics and the Higgs boson, while suggesting alternative reading materials.

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  • Debate/contested
  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses a desire for physics books that do not focus on mechanics, suggesting an interest in advanced topics like quantum physics.
  • Another participant argues that all physics is fundamentally based on mechanics, implying that one must learn classical mechanics to understand other areas of physics.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that it is possible to learn physics without classical mechanics, proposing that classical field theory and quantum field theory could be alternatives.
  • Some participants challenge the notion that quantum mechanics is purely philosophical, emphasizing its basis in particle interactions and motion.
  • Recommendations for specific books are made, including works by Leonard Susskind, which are said to start with abstract systems and discuss the differences between classical and quantum mechanics.
  • Concerns are raised about the adequacy of certain books that cover topics in brief chapters, questioning whether they provide sufficient depth.
  • Another participant notes that while a recommended book may not be exhaustive, it offers a fine introduction using a different approach based on symmetry.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether one can effectively learn advanced physics without a foundation in classical mechanics. Multiple competing views remain regarding the necessity of mechanics and the nature of quantum mechanics.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the adequacy of certain books in covering complex topics within a limited number of pages, highlighting potential limitations in depth and understanding.

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i want to read a good physics book, but i dislike mechanics, any suggestions?
 
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1832vin said:
i want to read a good physics book, but i dislike mechanics, any suggestions?

Everything in physics is based on mechanics in one way or another. So you'll have to bite the bullet and learn classical mechanics.
 
Why wold you want a physics book if you "dislike" mechanics?
 
Thats like saying I want a good Calculus book but dislike Algebra.
 
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nono...
it's not like i don't want a single forumlar in the whole book, but something about advance physics that is not based on a topic of (moving objects?)
like quantum physics (ie, higs bosons) , there are many maths in it, but it's based around philosophical ideas
 
The Higgs boson is not a "philosophical idea." It's based on particle interactions, i.e. moving particles within the Higgs field. Likewise for quantum mechanics in general. Yes, there are some philosophical ideas that people can draw out of the more mysterious aspects and such, but quantum mechanics as a whole is not a "philosophical idea." Widely speaking, it is about movement and motion on the quantum level.
 
1832vin said:
nono...
it's not like i don't want a single forumlar in the whole book, but something about advance physics that is not based on a topic of (moving objects?)
like quantum physics (ie, higs bosons) , there are many maths in it, but it's based around philosophical ideas

You can't learn QM thoroughly if you're ignorant of classical mechanics. Have you tried Leonard Susskind's 2 books, one on classical the second on quantum mechanics. He starts each with a discussion of somewhat abstract systems, and how they differ in the 2 mechanics. That might interest you. It helps to have enough math to understand some variational calculus, which is really at the foundation of both versions of physics. On the other hand, these aren't textbooks, full of exercises the practice of which will provide some facility with performing the sorts of calculations that help in applications of the theory and understanding more advanced texts...
 
Well, it's an interesting question, whether one can learn physics without ever touching classical mechanics. You'd need to learn classical field theory then and just define quantum theory as quantum field theory. To be honest, I doubt it that this makes any sense, because classical mechanics is still the perfect introduction to physics. Of course, as it is taught in the beginning it's pretty horrible, but as soon as it's formulated with Hamilton's least-action principle, it's just beautiful, and that's the way you need it to understand the more modern branches of physics.
 
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smodak said:
How about https://www.amazon.com/dp/3319192000/?tag=pfamazon01-20?

You can see some previews here

It does have some mechanics but from a different point of view...

I took a peek at the previews and noted how short some of the chapters were (four or five pages in come cases). Are those topics really covered adequately in the space of a few pages? The approach seems interesting nevertheless.
 
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Mark Harder said:
I took a peek at the previews and noted how short some of the chapters were (four or five pages in come cases). Are those topics really covered adequately in the space of a few pages? The approach seems interesting nevertheless.
Adequately? I do not think the book is exhaustive if that is what you mean - it is not going to make the reader a master of all the topics covered - it is a fine introduction nonetheless. It uses a different (from normal) approach of doing physics using the concept of symmetry.
 

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