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The discussion revolves around the constructibility of angles using a ruler and compass, specifically focusing on the angle trisection problem. It highlights that an angle of 72 degrees is constructible, leading to the conclusion that 24 degrees can also be constructed by creating 3-degree angles multiple times. The participants reference historical methods, including Hippocrates' trisection technique, to support their points. The conversation reflects a deep interest in geometric principles and their applications. Overall, the thread emphasizes the mathematical exploration of angle construction and its historical context.
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I'm thinking perhaps you have another elegant solution at hand but I'm going to post my "weak" solution here nevertheless:o:
First we let $\angle AED=\alpha$, and $DE=2k,\,AB=k$.

Applying the Sine Rule on both the triangles $AED$ and $ABE$ we see that

$\dfrac{2k}{\sin 90^{\circ}}=\dfrac{AE}{\sin (90-\alpha)^{\circ}}$ and $\dfrac{k}{\sin \alpha}=\dfrac{AE}{\sin (\alpha-18)^{\circ}}$

Dividing the first by the second equation yields

$\begin{align*}\sin (\alpha-18)^{\circ}&=2\sin \alpha \sin (90-\alpha)^{\circ}\\&=2\sin \alpha \cos \alpha\\&=\sin 2\alpha\end{align*}$

Since $0<2\alpha<180^{\circ}$, we must alter the expression inside the sine function of $\sin (\alpha-18)^{\circ}$ such that we have

$\sin (180-(\alpha-18))^{\circ}=\sin 2\alpha$

Solving it for $\alpha$ we obtain $\alpha=66^{\circ}$.
 
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anemone said:
I'm thinking perhaps you have another elegant solution at hand but I'm going to post my "weak" solution here nevertheless:o:
First we let $\angle AED=\alpha$, and $DE=2k,\,AB=k$.

Applying the Sine Rule on both the triangles $AED$ and $ABE$ we see that

$\dfrac{2k}{\sin 90^{\circ}}=\dfrac{AE}{\sin (90-\alpha)^{\circ}}$ and $\dfrac{k}{\sin \alpha}=\dfrac{AE}{\sin (\alpha-18)^{\circ}}$

Dividing the first by the second equation yields

$\begin{align*}\sin (\alpha-18)^{\circ}&=2\sin \alpha \sin (90-\alpha)^{\circ}\\&=2\sin \alpha \cos \alpha\\&=\sin 2\alpha\end{align*}$

Since $0<2\alpha<180^{\circ}$, we must alter the expression inside the sine function of $\sin (\alpha-18)^{\circ}$ such that we have

$\sin (180-(\alpha-18))^{\circ}=\sin 2\alpha$

Solving it for $\alpha$ we obtain $\alpha=66^{\circ}$.
your solution is also very nice!
 
Albert.
I found your parallelogram very interesting. You may well have observed this, but here is something. If angle ABC in the parallelogram is "arbitrary" $$\theta$$, the parallelogram is constructible with ruler and compass iff $${\theta\over 3}$$ is constructible. Shown is an angle of 60 degrees. Of course, a 20 degree angle is not constructible.View attachment 3336
 

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Albert.
I found your parallelogram very interesting. You may well have observed this, but here is something. If angle ABC in the parallelogram is "arbitrary" $$\theta$$, the parallelogram is constructible with ruler and compass iff $${\theta\over 3}$$ is constructible. Shown is an angle of 60 degrees. Of course, a 20 degree angle is not constructible.https://www.physicsforums.com/attachments/3336
yes it is very interesting
given $\angle ABC=72^o$
using compass and ruler only ,
Can we construct an angle=$24^o ?$
 
Albert,
Years ago I taught constructibility of numbers from an algebraic standpoint (degree of an extension field). So I remembered cos(20 degree) is not constructible. For 24 degrees:
First, the regular pentagon is constructible and hence an angle of 72. So 3=(72-(45+30)) is constructible. Thus 24 degrees is constructible by constructing 3 degree angles 8 times.

I surfed a little and found the 2500 year old trisection method (due to Hippocrates?) -- Angle Trisection by Hippocrates This is really just a variation of your parallelogram.
 
johng said:
Albert,
Years ago I taught constructibility of numbers from an algebraic standpoint (degree of an extension field). So I remembered cos(20 degree) is not constructible. For 24 degrees:
First, the regular pentagon is constructible and hence an angle of 72. So 3=(72-(45+30)) is constructible. Thus 24 degrees is constructible by constructing 3 degree angles 8 times.

I surfed a little and found the 2500 year old trisection method (due to Hippocrates?) -- Angle Trisection by Hippocrates This is really just a variation of your parallelogram.
johng
well done!
 
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