A linear differential equation problem

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The problem involves a linear differential equation related to the motion of a heavy rope being pulled vertically upward. The scenario includes the application of Newton's second law to derive a differential equation for the height of the rope's end above ground level over time.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the application of Newton's second law, questioning the validity of using F = ma due to the variable mass of the rope. There are attempts to express momentum in terms of position and its derivatives, with some participants expressing confusion about the correct formulation of the differential equation.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem and the appropriate application of physical laws. Some guidance has been offered regarding the expression of momentum, but there is no explicit consensus on the correct approach yet.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of variable mass systems and the implications for applying Newton's second law. There is mention of gravitational acceleration and its potential role in the equation, indicating a need for clarity on the assumptions involved.

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Homework Statement



A uniform 10-foot-long heavy rope is coiled loosely on the ground. One end of the rope is pulled vertically upward by means of a constant force of 5lb. The rope weighs 1lb/ft. Use Newton's second law to determine a differential equation for the height x(t) of the end above ground level at time t. Assume that a positive direction is upward.

Homework Equations


The answer says it's x \frac{d^{2}x}{dt^2} + \left ( \frac{dx}{dt} \right )^{2}+32x=160

The Attempt at a Solution


Since Newton's second law is F=ma, I tried this:
a(Acceleration) is position x differentiated twice, so a=\frac{d^{2}x}{dt^2}
m=x, and force is 5-x. so, the equation becomes
5-x=x \frac{d^{2}x}{dt^2}
is anything wrong?
 
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Yes, you cannot use F = ma, which is only true when the mass in question is constant. You need to use the second law on the more general form F = dp/dt, where p is the momentum.
 
Orodruin said:
Yes, you cannot use F = ma, which is only true when the mass in question is constant. You need to use the second law on the more general form F = dp/dt, where p is the momentum.
may I ask you how to apply it?
 
Try expressing the momentum of the rope in terms of x and its derivatives.
 
Orodruin said:
Try expressing the momentum of the rope in terms of x and its derivatives.
you mean this equation? this is from Wikipedia, and it's based on momentum equation p=mv, thus F=dp/dt.
F=m(t)\frac{dv}{dt} - u\frac{dm}{dt}
When I put this I that question, I found something like this.
5-x= x\frac{d^{2}x}{dt^{2}} - \left ( \frac{dx}{dt} \right )^2
Looks similar to the 'answer' in my book, but still not getting it. I suspect that the left side of the equation have been multiplied by 32(Gravitational acceleration in English unit, I think) but hard to find where to put it.

Type your equation in this box
 

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