A magnetic field of 0.0200 T [up] is created in a region....

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving the magnetic force on an electron moving in a magnetic field of 0.0200 T directed upwards. The original poster attempts to calculate the magnetic force and is uncertain about the direction of the force due to conflicting opinions from classmates.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster calculates the magnetic force and questions the correctness of their approach based on classmates' feedback regarding the direction of the force and the behavior of the electron in the magnetic field.
  • Some participants provide reassurance about the original poster's calculation and clarify that the magnetic field is constant, questioning the need for changes in direction suggested by classmates.
  • Others raise concerns about the use of directional terms (North, South, Up) in the context of magnetic fields, suggesting it may lead to confusion.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with some participants providing supportive feedback and clarifications regarding the original poster's calculations. There is an exploration of different interpretations regarding the directional terminology used in the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the implications of using directional terms in magnetic field problems and the assumptions about the constancy of the magnetic field during the interaction with the electron.

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Homework Statement


A magnetic field of 0.0200 T [up] is created in a region

Find the initial magnetic force on an electron initially moving at 5.00 X 10^6 m/s [N] in the field.

Homework Equations


Work clarification and I would like to ask a question in relation to the direction of FM.

The Attempt at a Solution


My answer,
FM=(1.6*10^(-19) C)(5.00*10^6 m/s)(0.0200 T)
FM=1.6 x 10^-14 N

Since it is an ELECTRON, it would alter the direction of velocity, changing it from NORTH to SOUTH . With that said, Magnetic field is [UP], Velocity is [SOUTH] and FM is [WEST]. Therefore my final answer is FM=1.6 x 10^-14 N [WEST].[Is my answer right?]I'm unsure of my answer (Above.) as I was told from 2 of my classmates that I did it wrong. They said that an ELECTRON changes both Velocity's and Magnetic field's direction. However, I looked at the examples my teacher did and he only changed Velocity's direction.So I was just wondering who's approach is right, my friends or mine?
 
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You did fine. The magnetic field is assumed to be externally generated and held constant. Besides, the question is looking for the initial force direction, which means at the first instant the electron encounters the field. So there would be no time for the field to change (which it doesn't, anyways).

I wonder how your friends handled their changing magnetic field direction? :wideeyed:
 
Does anyone else see a problem with using North East and Up coordinates for a magnetic field problem? N and S mean something specific in a magnetic field. I mean I'm sure this is worked correctly due to the statement that the field is "up". However normally if you tell me a particle is moving north in a magnetic field I'm going to think it is traveling along the field lines toward the north magnetic pole. I think this is unnecessarily confusing.
 
Cutter Ketch said:
Does anyone else see a problem with using North East and Up coordinates for a magnetic field problem? N and S mean something specific in a magnetic field. I mean I'm sure this is worked correctly due to the statement that the field is "up". However normally if you tell me a particle is moving north in a magnetic field I'm going to think it is traveling along the field lines toward the north magnetic pole. I think this is unnecessarily confusing.
So, it's a great case of, "Don't confuse the map for the territory" :smile:

Magnet polarities were first defined by noting which end of a bar magnet (compass needle) was attracted to and hence pointed towards the geographic north. Of course, that mean that the pole that sits near the geographic pole is really a magnetic south pole...
 
gneill said:
You did fine. The magnetic field is assumed to be externally generated and held constant. Besides, the question is looking for the initial force direction, which means at the first instant the electron encounters the field. So there would be no time for the field to change (which it doesn't, anyways).

I wonder how your friends handled their changing magnetic field direction? :wideeyed:

Oddly enough, my classmates lost marks for changing the magnetic field. When my teacher asked how they changed the Magnetic field, they simply said "Because of the electron." and my teacher went on to explain how that is not the case. In short, he basically said what you said.

Thank you so much for reviewing my work and for clarifying the change in direction. I would of thanked you earlier but I was in class. Again thank you!
 
You're welcome. Glad I could help.
 

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