A mass m slides in a moving reference frame

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The problem involves a mass sliding down an inclined plane inside an accelerating elevator. The angle of the incline is given as 32 degrees, and the elevator accelerates upward at 0.50 times the acceleration due to gravity. The discussion centers around understanding the concept of effective acceleration due to gravity in a non-inertial reference frame.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the definition and application of effective acceleration due to gravity, questioning how it is derived and when it is applicable. There are discussions about the signs of the accelerations involved and how they interact in the context of the problem.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing insights into the nature of effective gravity and how it relates to the forces acting on the mass. Some participants have offered clarifications on the vector nature of the problem and the relationship between the block's acceleration and the elevator's acceleration.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the signs of the accelerations and the conditions under which the effective acceleration is calculated. Participants are also addressing the implications of working within a non-inertial frame, which adds complexity to the problem.

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Homework Statement


An inclined plane, fixed to the inside of an elevator, makes a ## 32 ^\circ ## degree angle with the floor. A mass m slides on the plane without friction. What is its acceleration relative to the plane if the elevator accelerates upward at 0.50 g?

Homework Equations


The effective value of acceleration due to gravity ##g_e = g + a_e ## The e on the left stands for effective while the one on the right represents the elevator.
Relative acceleration = ## g_e sin \theta ##

The Attempt at a Solution


I understand that ## a_r ## is the force of gravity along the incline plane and I understand how to derive it. However
my textbook never taught me the "effective value of acceleration" but it uses it to solve the problem. How can acceleration be "effective"? When is this equation used? How do I derive it?

Going back to the original question, my solution guide states that I should plug in
##g_e = g + 0.5g = 1.5g ##
Then put the answer here ##a_r = g_e sin \theta = 1.5gsin(32 ^\circ ) ## Why is it addition if a and g are in opposite directions?

Thank you (The main question I want answered is highlighted in RED)
 
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Effective value of g in general is g-a not g+a and the sign is important.
Example, if a ball is hanging on a thread in an elevator and the elevator falls down with acceleration a, then w=-g-(-a)=0, since both g and a are in -j direction.
 
G effective is just the acceleration of a body with respect to a non inertial frame.
 
The two accelerations are not both happening. g is the acceleration that would happen were there no upward force to oppose it. a is the acceleration that is happening because the upward force exceeds what would be necessary to prevent the downward acceleration. So the upward force is related to the sum of the two.
The sign of g can be confusing, though. My preference is to say the acceleration due to gravity is g, regardless of the sign convention adopted for the vertical axis. If up is positive then the value of g is negative. But it may be more common to keep the value of g as positive and write -g in the equation.
 
I am trying to understand this problem as well.

So the block acceleration and elevator add?

The relatI've acceleration equation is a vector equation. Is it not? So the -j component for the block would be the W*sin (theta) as the OP stated and then of course would have the acceleration of the elevator acting in the -j direction as well. My bad... I reread OP's problem statement...
 
Calpalned,
A common way to arrive at an “effective g” in the elevator is to start with the idea that the acceleration of the block relative to the Earth (##\vec{a}##) equals the acceleration of the block relative to the elevator (##\vec{a}\:'##) plus the acceleration of the elevator relative to the Earth (##\vec{a}_e##): $$\vec{a} = \vec{a}\:’+ \vec{a}_e$$
In the reference frame of the earth, Newton’s second law applied to the block on the incline is $$\vec{N} + m\vec{g} = m\vec{a}$$ where ##\vec{N}## is the normal force.

Substitute for ##\vec{a}## using the relative acceleration formula. Show that you can rearrange terms to get $$\vec{N} + m( \vec{g} - \vec{a}_e) = m\vec{a}\:’$$ If you define an effective g as $$\vec{g}_{eff} = \vec{g}-\vec{a}_e$$ then you can see that the acceleration of the block relative to the elevator satisfies the second law in the form$$\vec{N} + m\vec{g}_{eff} = m\vec{a}\:’$$
Hope this helps.
 

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