Is force independent of reference frame?

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The discussion revolves around the independence of forces from reference frames, specifically contrasting inertial and non-inertial frames in the context of Newton's second law. The original poster questions how forces are treated differently in these frames, particularly regarding the role of fictitious forces in non-inertial frames.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the implications of Newton's second law in different reference frames, questioning the necessity of fictitious forces in non-inertial frames. There is also a request for clarification on the types of forces considered by Newton's second law.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants seeking clarification on the application of Newton's second law and the nature of forces in various reference frames. Some guidance has been offered regarding the inclusion of fictitious forces in non-inertial frames, but further exploration of the topic is evident.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of force definitions and the applicability of Newton's laws in different frames, indicating a need for deeper understanding of the foundational concepts involved.

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Recently, I have been wondering whether forces are independent of reference frames(inertial and non inertial). From Newton's law we know that the second law is valid only for inertial frames. But what about the non inertial frames. Let ∑F be the net force on an object in an inertial reference frame k. Let 'm' be it's mass and 'a' be it's acceleration in the frame k.

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By Newton's second law in the frame k, ∑F = m×a

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Acceleration can have different meaning for different reference frames but certainly we can't conclude about the net force using the second law for both the inertial and non inertial reference frames as it's valid for only one of the cases. So do we then take into consideration the fictitious forces for the non inertial cases for the purpose of calculating the net force. How does it explains then? Please help!
 
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In terms of fictitious forces and non-inertial (accelerating) reference frames, there must be lots online (assuming you don't have a mechanics text that explains it). The way I look at it is:

If you are accelerating to the right at ##a_0##, and you want to explain things from your accelerating reference frame, where everything is accelerating to the left at ##-a_0##. You have to imagine a fictitious force, proportional to the mass, on everything. For a body of mass ##m## the force is ##F_f = -ma_0##.

If there is a real force ##F## on that body, then the net force (in your reference frame) is ##F_{net} = F + F_f = F - ma_0##.

And, if you observe an acceleration of ##a_{net}## then you know that the real force on the object is ##F = F_{net} + ma_0 = m(a_{net} + a_0)##
 
Thanks, but can you please tell me what are the types of forces that Newton's second law takes into consideration?
 
sandyforever said:
Thanks, but can you please tell me what are the types of forces that Newton's second law takes into consideration?

I'm not sure I understand. All forces. But, the second law doesn't apply in a non-inertial reference frame unless you add in the fictitious forces.
 

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