A mass spring system w/ recoil and Friction ?

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The problem involves a mass-spring system where an object of mass m encounters a spring after traveling on a surface with kinetic friction. The object compresses the spring, stops, and then recoils back, raising questions about energy conservation and the effects of friction on the system.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of the work-energy theorem and the impact of friction on energy dissipation during the compression and recoil of the spring. Questions arise about the energy lost to friction and how it affects the spring's stored energy.

Discussion Status

Some participants have made attempts to derive expressions for the spring constant k, exploring relationships between kinetic energy, work done by friction, and the energy stored in the spring. There is recognition of algebraic errors affecting the final result, with ongoing exploration of the correct formulation.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the complexity introduced by friction and the two-stage nature of the problem, which involves both compression and recoil of the spring. There is mention of the need to express k in terms of the variables mu, m, g, and v.

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Homework Statement



An object of mass, m, is traveling on a horizontal surface. There is a coefficient of kinetic friction, mu , between the object and the surface. The object has speed, v, when it reaches x=0 and encounters a spring. The object compresses the spring, stops, and then recoils and travels in the opposite direction. When the object reaches x=0 on its return trip, it stops.

Find k, the spring constant.
Express k in terms of mu , m, g, and v.

Homework Equations



Work-energy theorem

The Attempt at a Solution



I know that the work-energy theorem must be used in this problem. What is throwing me off is the friction i think because of the x and because it's a two stage problem? Not quite sure. Any help would be much appreciated.
 
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The mass m initially passes x=0 with velocity v, from which one determines the kinetic energy. If the system were frictionless the spring would compress then rebound and the mass would pass with velocity v.

But with friction, it returns to x = 0 with v = 0, and therefore no kinetic energy. The spring only stores energy. Where did the kinetic energy go?

Remember work is force over distance. When the spring compresses some length L, what is the work/energy dissipated by the friction? What is then stored in the spring at deflection L? What happens on the recoil?
 
What I'm working with right now:

--Net energy after the whole process (i.e. after the compression and recoil of spring):

E_f - E_i = W_nc

= 0 - (1/2)mv^2 = -mu*mg*2x (2x because it moves over the x distance twice-compression and recoil)

x = v^2/(4mu*g) -----> spring compression

--Net energy up until compressed spring:

E_f - E_i = W_nc

=(1/2)kx^2 - (1/2)mv^2 = -mu*mg*x

-->k = [m(v^2 - mu*g*x)]/x^2

Then to get rid of x variable I subbed in the x I solved in first eq. and i ended up with:

k = (12m*(mu)^2*g^2)/v^2

That's the best I've got so far. According to the answers in the back of my book, I'm only off by a multiplicative factor. I can't seem to find where that is.
 
got the answer. I was making a stupid algebraic mistake.

Answer is = [8*(mu)^2*g^2*m]/v^2
 

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