A question about multinomial distribution

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The discussion revolves around the conditional distribution of a joint multinomial distribution with specified parameters. The original poster presents a scenario involving five variables and seeks clarification on the correctness of their approach to finding the conditional distribution given a specific value for one of the variables.

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  • Participants discuss the formulation of the conditional distribution and question the need for integration versus summation in the context of a discrete distribution. There is also an emphasis on carefully reviewing the steps taken to arrive at conclusions.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some providing guidance on the nature of the multinomial distribution and clarifying misconceptions about the need for integration. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of the parameters and the setup of the problem.

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Some participants express confusion regarding the boundaries for integration, which is noted as a point of uncertainty in the discussion. The discrete nature of the multinomial distribution is emphasized, and there is a suggestion to consider the context of the variables involved.

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Let [itex]X_1, ... , X_5[/itex] be a joint multinomial with [itex]n=15, p_1=.1, p_2=.15, p_3=.2, p_4=.24, p_5=.31[/itex]

What is the conditional distribution of [itex]X_1, X_2, X_4, X_5[/itex], given [itex]X_1=3[/itex]


My answer:

Since [itex]p(x_1, x_2, x_4, x_5 | x_3=3) = \frac{(15!) (1^{x_1}) (.1^{x_2}) (.15^{3}) (.2^{x_4}) (.31^{x_5})}{x_1! x_2! 3! x_4! x_5!}[/itex]

Do you think my answer is correct?

Thanks in advance.
 
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Artusartos said:
Let [itex]X_1, ... , X_5[/itex] be a joint multinomial with [itex]n=15, p_1=.1, p_2=.15, p_3=.2, p_4=.24, p_5=.31[/itex]

What is the conditional distribution of [itex]X_1, X_2, X_4, X_5[/itex], given [itex]X_1=3[/itex]


My answer:

Since [itex]p(x_1, x_2, x_4, x_5 | x_3=3) = \frac{(15!) (1^{x_1}) (.1^{x_2}) (.15^{3}) (.2^{x_4}) (.31^{x_5})}{x_1! x_2! 3! x_4! x_5!}[/itex]

Do you think my answer is correct?

Thanks in advance.

How did you arrive at your answer? If you go through the steps *carefully* you will be able to see for yourself whether the result is correct. Don't just write things down---go through the details,

RGV
 
Ray Vickson said:
How did you arrive at your answer? If you go through the steps *carefully* you will be able to see for yourself whether the result is correct. Don't just write things down---go through the details,

RGV

Since [itex]p(x_1, x_2, x_4, x_5 | x_3=3) = p(x_1, x_2, x_3, x_4, x_5)/p(x_3)[/itex]...

Do you mean that I have to find [itex]p(x_3)[/itex] so I can divide by it? In order to do that I have to do integration, right? But its a bit confusing since they didn't tell us the boundaries, so how can I do the integration?
 
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Artusartos said:
Since [itex]p(x_1, x_2, x_4, x_5 | x_3=3) = p(x_1, x_2, x_3, x_4, x_5)/p(x_3)[/itex]...

Do you mean that I have to find [itex]p(x_3)[/itex] so I can divide by it? In order to do that I have to do integration, right? But its a bit confusing since they didn't tell us the boundaries, so how can I do the integration?

Yes, you need to find P{X3 = x3}.

The multinomial distribution is a DISCRETE distribution, with x_i = 0,1,2,...,n and some other restrictions. I don't know who is the "they" that did not tell you the boundaries, but material can be found in every textbook and on-line; see, eg., http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multinomial_distribution .
There are no integrations involved, only summations.

You can save yourself a ton of work if you think about the meaning of the individual components in the distribution, and it might help to put it into some type of context. Suppose, for example, the 5 components correspond to apples, oranges, pears, bananas and grapes. If X_3 = number of pears, think about what it means to say that the number of pears is in the sample is 17 (for example) in a sample of 50 pieces of fruit (for example).

RGV
 
Ray Vickson said:
Yes, you need to find P{X3 = x3}.

The multinomial distribution is a DISCRETE distribution, with x_i = 0,1,2,...,n and some other restrictions. I don't know who is the "they" that did not tell you the boundaries, but material can be found in every textbook and on-line; see, eg., http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multinomial_distribution .
There are no integrations involved, only summations.

You can save yourself a ton of work if you think about the meaning of the individual components in the distribution, and it might help to put it into some type of context. Suppose, for example, the 5 components correspond to apples, oranges, pears, bananas and grapes. If X_3 = number of pears, think about what it means to say that the number of pears is in the sample is 17 (for example) in a sample of 50 pieces of fruit (for example).

RGV

Oh...sorry, I don't know why I thought of it as continuous...:blushing:
 

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