A question on superconductivity

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the behavior of a superconducting toroid when its temperature is raised above the critical temperature while a finite electric current is flowing through it. Participants explore the implications of this temperature change on the current and the magnetic field, considering concepts such as thermal inertia, resistance, and the transition from superconducting to normal conducting states.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that raising the temperature of a superconducting toroid could lead to thermal inertia, potentially increasing the specific heat capacity at the critical temperature transition.
  • Another participant argues that as the temperature rises, the material will transition to a normal conductor, and while the initial current may remain the same, Ohmian resistance will soon reduce the current.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that the current's magnitude remains unchanged until the critical temperature is reached, at which point resistance suddenly becomes finite, challenging the implications of Lenz's law.
  • One participant counters that in an RL circuit, the current is continuous and will decay exponentially, indicating that the initial current does not abruptly change.
  • Another participant mentions that when the toroid exceeds the critical temperature, energy dissipates as heat, and the transition from superconducting to normal state is not instantaneous, noting that the dynamics depend on the type of superconductor.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the behavior of the current and magnetic field during the temperature transition, indicating that there is no consensus on the specifics of the phenomena involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight that the dynamics of the transition from superconducting to normal states can be complex and depend on various factors, including the type of superconductor, which may not be fully resolved in the discussion.

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Let us suppose that there is a superconducting toroid. Let us also suppose that there is a finite electric current flowing in it. We imagine the temperature of the toroid to be below the critical temperature. Now if we try to raise the temperature of the toroid then due to the law of conservation of energy (or lenz’s law) the magnetic field which is due to the circulating current would resist to being ‘changed’ easily. This would lead to the circulating current trying to remain ‘unchanged’ which would only be possible if the temperature of the superconductor is prevented from going above the critical temperature. So there might arise two possibilities (according to my understanding)
1) There would exist some kind of a thermal inertia in this case which would result in the specific heat capacity of the superconductor being bumped up at the interval T(0-)->T(0+) [T being the critical temperature of the super conductor]
2) The critical temperature of a current carrying superconductor is ‘raised’ while a transition from ‘below critical’ temperature to ‘above critical’ temperature is tried.

Does any of these things actually happen? I am curious.
 
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I don't see the problem. If the temperature is rised, the material becomes a normal conductor and the current in the first moment will be the same as in the superconducting state. However, Ohmian resistance will soon reduce the current. The amount of heat generated will equal the energy stored initially in the magnetic field.
 
when the temperature rises from below the critical temperature point- nothing happens to the current's magnitude until the temperature reaches the critical point. At T->T(0+) the resistance of the super conductor suddenly becomes a finite positive quantity from zero. that's like a step impulse. The current too therefore should be prone to changing all of a sudden in magnitude. This sudden-ness is what IMHO lenz's law wouldn't let happen.
 
As DrDu has already stated: there is nothing "strange" about. When the toreoid goes through Tc the metal will become resistive and all the energy will dissipated as heat.

This is exactly what happens if one accidentally raises the temperature/and or exceed Jc of a superconducting solenoid when it is in persistent mode: the sudden heating can result in some rather impressive (albeit unintentional ) effects. However, properly designed solenoids are designed to cope with this (this is known as a "quench" if you want to have a good word to goggle)

edit: also the transition from SC to normal won't result in an impulse, for any real system it will take some time; the dynamics of this is quite messy and depend on whether you have a type I or II superconductor etc
 

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