Elementary Linear Algebra Proof Basis/Dimension

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The discussion revolves around proving a property of dimensions in linear algebra, specifically that the dimension of a subspace W of a finite-dimensional space V is less than or equal to the dimension of V.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore a proof by contradiction approach, questioning how to articulate the implications of assuming the dimension of W exceeds that of V. There is discussion about the logical flow of the proof and the implications of independent vectors in relation to the dimensions of W and V.

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The conversation includes attempts to clarify the proof structure and logical reasoning. Some participants provide feedback on wording and precision, while others express their understanding of the implications of dimension relationships. There appears to be a productive exchange of ideas, with participants refining their reasoning without reaching a final consensus.

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Participants are working within the constraints of formal proof requirements in linear algebra and are addressing potential logical leaps in reasoning. The discussion reflects an ongoing exploration of definitions and implications related to vector independence and subspace dimensions.

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Homework Statement


Prove that if W is a subspace of a finite-dimensional space V, then (dimension of W) is less than or equal to (dimension of V).

The Attempt at a Solution


I've been trying to prove this by contradiction (assume dimension of W is greater than V and arrive at a contradiction) but am a little unclear on how to write the proof out. Here is my attempt so far:

W is a subspace of V. Assume S is a basis for W. If span(S) = V then dim(W) = dim(V).

Otherwise let's assume that dim(W) > dim(V).
Let S = {V1,V2,...,Vn} be a basis for W. Let T = {V1,V2,...,Vk) be a basis for V where, because of our assumption, n>k (there are more vectors in the basis S than in T).

Here is where I'm not sure where to proceed. I'm trying to see where i can use the fact that S is a subset of V and compare the number of vectors in S and T but I'm just not seeing the answer. Please help me understand the next step conceptually. Thank you for your time.
 
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From a purely logical viewpoint, you seem to make a leap here: "otherwise let's assume ...". You should draw an implication: "otherwise, we have that ..." or "otherwise, there is ...".
 
You are using a "proof by contradiction" so better wording would be "On the contrary, assume"... And, there is no reason to do dim(W)= dim(V) separately. Once you have shown a contradiction to "dim(W)> dim(V)", "less than or equal" follows.

And I would recommend being more "precise". "Let m be the dimension of V, n the dimension of W, with n> m." That means that there exist as set of n independent vector in W. Do you see how that contradicts m begin the dimension of V?
 
Thank you for helping me. It feels like this should be fairly simple but I'm having trouble writing out my ideas logically. Am I correct with my following reasoning?

Let m be the dimension of V, n the dimension of W, and assume n > m. This means there exists a set of n independent vectors in W. Since W is a subspace of V, this implies that there is a set of independent vectors in V larger than m. But this is impossible since every set in V containing more than m vectors must be linearly dependent. So n cannot be greater than m. Therefore it can only be true that dim(W) is less than or equal to dim(V).
 
Yes, that is perfectly good.
 

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