A seperation of variables intergration

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The discussion revolves around solving a differential equation of the form \(\frac{dV}{dt} = 20 - kV\) using separation of variables. Participants are exploring the integration process and the resulting expression for \(V\).

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss separating variables and integrating both sides, with some questioning how to handle constants during integration. There is mention of using logarithmic functions and the implications of constants of integration.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing hints and alternative approaches. Some are exploring the implications of including a constant of integration, while others are questioning the correctness of different forms of the solution.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework assignment, which may include specific expectations for the form of the solution. There is also a reference to a mark scheme that may differ from participants' calculations.

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Homework Statement



[tex]\frac{dV}{dt} = 20 - kV[/tex]

By solving this show that

[tex]V = A + Be^{-kt}[/tex]

Homework Equations



Well I am guessing there is a ln coming into play somewhere during the intergration
if the diff the bottom = the top then you get a ln(bottom)

The Attempt at a Solution



separate the variables

[tex]\int{\frac{1}{20-kV}dv} = \int{1dt}[/tex]

i don't know how to form the ln part out of the LHS, cus you can't just take a constant out here?

Thanks :)
 
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Hint: what is [tex]\frac{d}{dx} \ln(20-kV)[/tex]?
 
Let w = 20 - kV. Then dw = -k dV
 
ahh take a constant of -1/k out

so -1/k ln (20-kV) = t
multiply through by -k to give

ln(20-kV) = -tk
then e it man
gives you
20-kV = e^(-tk)
V = 20/k -e^(-tk)/k
but the stupid mark scheme says
V = 20/k -20e^(-tk)/k

who is right?

Thanks :)
 
Remember, your integrals are indefinite integrals; so you need to include a constant of integration:

[tex]\Rightarrow \frac{-1}{k} \ln(20-kV) = t +C[/tex]
 
Ooops missed that.
however how does that effect the co-efficient of e being 20?

Thanks :)
 
Well, what do you get when you solve it with the constant C?
 
using v=0 and t=0
(as I am told the container is empty)
so that means c = -1/k ln 20

which means i can combine the ln s!

cheers :)
 

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