A simulation for finding the origings of life

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The discussion centers around simulations related to the origins of life, specifically focusing on whether life can emerge naturally from early Earth conditions. Participants explore various historical experiments and contemporary research efforts in this area, including computational models and theoretical approaches.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant recalls a supercomputer simulation aimed at understanding early Earth conditions and the emergence of life, but cannot find further information about it.
  • Another mentions Stanley Miller's experiments from the 1950s, which are often referenced in discussions about the origins of life.
  • Several participants identify the Miller-Urey experiment as a potential reference but acknowledge it does not match the original inquiry about a supercomputer simulation.
  • One participant suggests that distributed computing projects like BOINC might be involved in such simulations, although they have not verified this.
  • A link to a project called EvoGrid is shared, but it is noted that it appears inactive.
  • Questions are raised about the role of amino acids and fatty acids in the formation of life, with references to the concept of abiogenesis.
  • Another participant shares links to research papers and press releases discussing models of abiogenesis, including a fuel cell model and a supercomputer simulation related to the origins of life.
  • A later post cites a specific study that discusses a novel simulation technique for discovering chemical reactions relevant to the origins of life, highlighting its potential to provide new insights.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the specific simulation being referenced. Multiple competing views and references to different experiments and models remain present throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Some claims rely on specific definitions of life and abiogenesis, and the discussion includes various assumptions about the capabilities of simulations and historical experiments. The relevance of the Miller-Urey experiment to the original inquiry is debated without resolution.

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I remember, a year or two ago, reading about a group which were simulating the early times of Earth's creation and they wanted to see whether life naturally pops out in it. But now I can't find it again or any other news from that group. Does anyone know about such a simulation?
 
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The only thing that I'm aware of without Googling for it is Stanley Miller's experiments back in the 50's.
 
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jim mcnamara said:
It is the Miller-Urey experiment you probably looking for.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller–Urey_experiment
Danger mentioned that, and although it was interesting, its not what I was looking for. I was talking about a simulation run on a supercomputer. Its strange no nobody else knows about it. Maybe I misunderstood some article or the writer misunderstood a scientist!
 
It wouldn't surprise me at all if someone is doing it; I just haven't heard of it. It seems like a job that BOINC should take on for "distributed computing" (I work on SETI, Einstein @ Home, a global climate model, and about 4 other projects). In fact, maybe they have taken it on and that's how you learned of it. I haven't checked what they're up to recently because the stuff that I'm already doing is demanding enough.

edit: corrected a name
 
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Perhaps it's this one you were thinking of?
http://www.evogrid.org/index.php/Main_Page
Seems pretty dead, though.
 
Another question. How amino acids can form life?
 
Shyan said:
Another question. How amino acids can form life?

With the help of fatty acids. The subject is called abiogenesis. Skip to 3:48 for the good stuff

 
As to your original question, I hadn't heard of it, but doing some googling, I found this paper that models abiogenesis in terms of fuel cells, which is an interesting idea:


I also found this press release about using supercomputers to simulate abiogenesis:


Here's the actual research:

 
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Shyan said:
I remember, a year or two ago, reading about a group which were simulating the early times of Earth's creation and they wanted to see whether life naturally pops out in it. But now I can't find it again or any other news from that group. Does anyone know about such a simulation?

While reading through an article at C&EN, I think I found the study you're looking for:
Wang et al. 2014. Discovering chemistry with an ab initio nanoreactor. Nat. Chem 6: 1044. http://dx.doi.org/10.1038/nchem.2099
Chemical understanding is driven by the experimental discovery of new compounds and reactivity, and is supported by theory and computation that provide detailed physical insight. Although theoretical and computational studies have generally focused on specific processes or mechanistic hypotheses, recent methodological and computational advances harken the advent of their principal role in discovery. Here we report the development and application of the ab initio nanoreactor—a highly accelerated first-principles molecular dynamics simulation of chemical reactions that discovers new molecules and mechanisms without preordained reaction coordinates or elementary steps. Using the nanoreactor, we show new pathways for glycine synthesis from primitive compounds proposed to exist on the early Earth, which provide new insight into the classic Urey–Miller experiment. These results highlight the emergence of theoretical and computational chemistry as a tool for discovery, in addition to its traditional role of interpreting experimental findings.

See also this writeup of the research from C&EN: http://cen.acs.org/articles/92/i45/Simulation-Technique-Finds-Reaction-Products.html
 
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