A student holding weights angular momentum problem

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a student sitting on a rotating stool while holding weights, focusing on angular momentum and moment of inertia. The scenario describes changes in angular speed as the student pulls weights closer to the axis of rotation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants express confusion regarding the assumption of constant moment of inertia, questioning how it applies when the weights are moved. Some suggest that the moment of inertia of the stool and student is constant, excluding the weights. Others note that the problem may require ignoring changes in moment of inertia due to the student's arms.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring the implications of the assumptions made in the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the conservation of angular momentum and the calculation of moment of inertia, but there is no explicit consensus on the approach to take.

Contextual Notes

There is an indication that the problem may involve approximations, such as treating the student's arms as massless, and that internal work performed by the student is relevant to the mechanical energy change.

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Homework Statement


A student sits on a rotating stool holding two weights, each of mass 10 kg. When his arms are extended horizontally, the weights are 1 m from the axis of rotation and he rotates with an angular speed of 3 rad/s. The moment of inertia of the student plus the stool is 8 kg*m^2 and is assumed to be constant. If the student pulls the weights horizontally to 0.3 m on the rotation axis calculate (a) the final angular speed of the system and (b) the change in the mechanical energy of the system.



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The Attempt at a Solution


I am not sure how to attempt this problem because I am confused by the statement "The moment of inertia plus the stool is assumed to be constant. " I thought that if the student brings its arms in it will change its moment of inertia so it can't be constant?
 
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BrainMan said:
I am not sure how to attempt this problem because I am confused by the statement "The moment of inertia plus the stool is assumed to be constant. " I thought that if the student brings its arms in it will change its moment of inertia so it can't be constant?

I think what it means is that the stool and student (NOT including the weights) have a constant moment of inertia.

Yes, the moment of inertia will change when the student extends his arms, even without weights, but the problem is basically telling you to ignore that.
 
It is an approximation (assume student's arms are massless).
 
Note - the student performs internal work when pulling in the weights, and this internal work is the source of the increase in mechanical energy of the system. It's possible to calculate the work performed using calculus, but the math is simpler if the problem is approached based on the fact that angular momentum is conserved.
 
Nathanael said:
I think what it means is that the stool and student (NOT including the weights) have a constant moment of inertia.

Yes, the moment of inertia will change when the student extends his arms, even without weights, but the problem is basically telling you to ignore that.
So how should I approach this problem?
 
BrainMan said:
So how should I approach this problem?

You need to find the moment of inertia of the weights at a distance of 1m, then add it to the moment of inertia of the student+stool (which is said to be 8) then use that to find the angular momentum

Then use conservation of angular momentum (you'll need to also find the new moment of inertia when the weights are at a distance of 0.3m)
 

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