A thought experiment to aid my undertsanding

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The discussion revolves around a thought experiment concerning relativistic mass and time dilation. It explores the implications of these concepts on the physiological capabilities of a human heart in a relativistic context, particularly when comparing the experiences of a traveler in a spaceship to an observer on Earth.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a scenario where a man on a spaceship experiences time dilation at a factor of 60 compared to an Earth observer, questioning whether his heart can pump blood given the increase in mass due to relativistic effects.
  • Another participant suggests that the heart can pump blood in one reference frame, implying that it should be able to do so in all reference frames according to the first postulate of relativity.
  • A further response indicates that the body, heart, and blood remain in the same frame of reference, maintaining the same mass from the perspective of the traveler, thus challenging the initial assumption of mass dilation affecting physiological function.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of relativistic mass on physiological functions, with no consensus reached on whether the heart's ability to pump blood is affected by relativistic effects.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve the assumptions regarding the relationship between mass dilation and physiological capabilities, nor does it clarify the implications of different reference frames on biological functions.

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H'mmm, my math and understanding isn't up to the discussion of relatavistic mass, so I am going to propose a reasonably simple thought experiment and if anybody can give me an answer, it would be much appreciated.

A man is on a spaceship that accelerates to a point where time dilation compared to someone on Earth is at a factor of 60. So 1 second passes for the space travelller when 1 minute passes for the ground observer.

My question is this.

Mass dilation occurs at the same rate as time dilation, so simplisticly the man masses 60 times what he does on earth. Is his heart able to pump blood around his body, or does he asphyxiate because the heart can't pump that much mass?

I am hoping someone may be able to answer the question in a way I can understand. (I am able to read and understand John Gribbin's books)

Thanks in advance

Mark
 
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mtiller said:
Is his heart able to pump blood around his body, or does he asphyxiate because the heart can't pump that much mass?

I am hoping someone may be able to answer the question in a way I can understand.
His heart is able to pump blood around his body in one reference frame so, according to the first postulate of relativity it must be able to pump blood aroun his body in all reference frames.
 
mtiller said:
H'mmm, my math and understanding isn't up to the discussion of relatavistic mass, so I am going to propose a reasonably simple thought experiment and if anybody can give me an answer, it would be much appreciated.

A man is on a spaceship that accelerates to a point where time dilation compared to someone on Earth is at a factor of 60. So 1 second passes for the space travelller when 1 minute passes for the ground observer.

My question is this.

Mass dilation occurs at the same rate as time dilation, so simplisticly the man masses 60 times what he does on earth. Is his heart able to pump blood around his body, or does he asphyxiate because the heart can't pump that much mass?

I am hoping someone may be able to answer the question in a way I can understand. (I am able to read and understand John Gribbin's books)

Thanks in advance

Mark
The body, heart, and blood are all in the same frame of reference. As far as they are concerned, he still has exactly the same mass as he did before he accelerated. That's the whole point of "relativity". His mass has increased only relative to a frame of reference with his initial speed.
 
Ah! OK, thanks to both of you.
 

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