Aberration with explicit dependance on object coordinates

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The discussion revolves around obtaining coefficients of aberration expansion that explicitly depend on object coordinates, particularly for single spherical or aspheric surfaces. Participants explore methods for deriving these coefficients and inquire about existing analytical solutions for higher-order wave aberrations.

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Main Points Raised

  • Frederic Leroux seeks to derive coefficients of aberration expansion with explicit dependence on object coordinates, suggesting a potential approach involving multiple objects and solving a system of linear equations.
  • There is a question regarding the existence of analytical solutions for 6th and 8th order wave aberrations, with references to Mahajan's work on Seidel aberration coefficients.
  • Some participants mention the book "Optical Aberration Coefficients" by Buchdahl as a potential resource, noting its detailed treatment of the dependence of aberration coefficients on object position.
  • One participant expresses confusion about the original question and suggests that Buchdahl's work may cover conjugate shifts for Seidel terms, but is uncertain about its applicability to higher-order aberrations.
  • Another participant mentions their own limitations in understanding the topic and suggests obtaining Buchdahl's book, including references to several of his published papers that may contain relevant information.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding and familiarity with the topic. There is no consensus on the best approach to derive the coefficients or on the availability of analytical solutions for higher-order aberrations.

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Some participants note the complexity of the topic and the potential limitations of existing literature, including the difficulty in accessing certain texts. The discussion highlights the need for clarity on specific mathematical terms and their derivations.

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How to obtain the coefficients of the aberration expansion with explicit dependance on object coordinates for a single spherical or aspheric surface ?
Hello,
In order to get the coefficients of the aberration expansion with no explicit dependance on object coordinates I fit the optical path difference with the Zernike basis and convert with the paper of Robert K. Tyson "Conversion of Zernike aberration coefficients to Seidel and
higher-order power-series aberration coefficients". Now how could I obtain the coefficients with explicit difference on object coordinates ? Should I repeat with n objects and solve a n linear equations system to get the n coefficients of, let's say comma, h.r.cos(theta) ... h^(2n+1).r.cos(theta)?

Also I would like to know if they are already analytically solved for a single spherical or aspheric surface. For instance Mahajan solved analytically the Seidel aberration coefficients with a spherical and an aspheric surface. Is it solved analytically somewhere for 6th and 8th order wave aberration ? I read the book Optical Aberration Coefficients from Buchdahl would contain what I need but this book is unobtainable. I can't find what I need with Kidger, Kingslake and Welford. Which book as thorough as Buchdahl would you advise me? Also knowing the aberration at a single surface, how would you update it with a stop shift because the stop dang equation works only for Seidel ?

Thank you,
Frederic Leroux
 
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frederic leroux said:
TL;DR Summary: How to obtain the coefficients of the aberration expansion with explicit dependance on object coordinates for a single spherical or aspheric surface ?

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Your question is a little confusing (to me)- I have a copy of Buchdahl, and there is a section "The dependence of aberration coefficients on the position of the object plane". Is that what you are hoping to learn? The book is very complete and detailed and largely beyond my ability to understand :)
 
Andy Resnick said:
Your question is a little confusing (to me)- I have a copy of Buchdahl, and there is a section "The dependence of aberration coefficients on the position of the object plane". Is that what you are hoping to learn? The book is very complete and detailed and largely beyond my ability to understand :)
The dependance of aberration oefficients on the position of the object plane is more about conjugate shift. It is well known for Seidel terms but maybe Buchdahl wrote it explicitly for higher-order aberrations. It could be interesting.
Otherwise I know how to get aberration for coma for instance without explicit dependance on object. For coma I have something a_31*r^3*cos(theta). But this a_31 term is composed of 1_a_31*h+3_a_31*h^3+5_a_31*h^5+... I'm trying to get these aberration terms 1_a_31, 3_a_31, 5_a_31 and I don't know how to do.
 
frederic leroux said:
[...]. I'm trying to get these aberration terms 1_a_31, 3_a_31, 5_a_31 and I don't know how to do.
Sorry for the delayed response- I was trying to come up with an answer other than "this is way beyond my understanding". Unfortunately, that's the only answer I have :)

Honestly, get a copy of Buchdahl. FWIW, the Dover edition has reprints of a series of his published papers, you may find what you want there (I assume you have access to the Journal of the Optical Society of America [JOSA] archive):

JOSA 46 (11) 941-943 (1951)
JOSA 48 (8) 563-567 (1958)
JOSA 48 (10) 747-756 (1958)
JOSA 48 (10) 757-759 (1958)
JOSA 49 (11) 1113-1121 (1959)
JOSA 50 (6) 534-539 (1960)
JOSA 50 (6) 539-544 (1960)
JOSA 50 (7) 678-683 (1960)
 

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