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The discussion centers around the behavior of electromagnetic waves emitted from antennas inside a closed box and the implications for momentum transfer. It explores the concept of interference patterns created by two antennas emitting waves at a specific phase difference, leading to varying photon impacts on the box's walls. Participants debate whether the unequal photon flux could result in net movement of the box, considering conservation of momentum and reaction forces on the antennas. The conversation highlights the complexity of electromagnetic radiation, emphasizing that photons do not behave like discrete particles but rather as waves influenced by their surrounding environment. Ultimately, the discussion suggests that the system's dynamics may resemble those of a conventional propulsion mechanism, where emitted energy results in movement.
  • #31
cala said:
Can you explain what would make the forces asymmetric in the sources if the fields are interfering on another region far from them?
The whole point of finding conservation laws is that the details are totally irrelevant. From the basic laws governing the system we know that momentum is conserved, regardless of the specific details.

If you don't have momentum leaving the system then both the magnitude and the direction of the momentum of the system is constant. That implies that, on average, any net force on one part of the system is balanced by an equal and opposite net force on another part of the system.

Do you understand that?
 
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  • #32
Dale said:
The whole point of finding conservation laws is that the details are totally irrelevant
I think that cala is just not recognising this.
cala said:
If the sources are not inside the interference region,
For two coherent sources there is no "interference region". The interference is there over all space. If what you claim were true then directional antennae would not work over large distances (inter-galactic, even). By concentrating on the near field situation around your two sources, you are not grasping the whole problem and your conclusions are not valid. Actually, the same thing would apply if you consider tennis balls being fired from a serving machine. If you operate it in a box with just one hole in it, that hole will provide drive from the balls that happen to get out (possibly after bouncing around inside for some time).
 

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