About the equation for net work done by nonconservative forces

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The discussion centers on the equation for net work done by nonconservative forces, specifically Wnc = ΔKE + ΔPE, and its relationship to heat loss due to friction. The professor's alternative formula, W - H = ΔKE + ΔPE, incorporates heat loss (H) as a factor in work done. Participants confirm that heat loss, resulting from frictional forces like air resistance, is indeed considered work, albeit negative work, as it removes energy from the system. The first equation does not assume the absence of heat loss, which is implicitly included in the total energy change.

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Wnc = delta (kinetic energy) + delta(potential energy)

(Work done by nonconservative forces) = (change in kinetic energy) + (change in potential energy)


Now, my professor gave us this formula instead of the one above: W - H = (change in kinetic energy) + (change in potential energy), where H = heat loss, W = work done.


What I'm confused about is whether heat loss still counts as work...since the heat loss is caused by a frictional force such as air resistance, and the air friction would act opposite the direction of motion, so it seems that the air friction does negative work. so H still counts as work?

Btw, for the first equation, its not assuming that there's no heat loss, right? (due to friction) So if its not assuming that there's no heat loss, then that would also include work done by friction (which would equal H in the second equation)? (negative work)


Any help at all would be greatly appreciated..
 
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The first equation is completely correct. Any energy lost due to friction and heat will be manifested in a change in total energy (KE+PE), it's just not explicitly stated in the equation like in your other one. Heat loss does count as work, seeing as it is caused by a force (friction, or air resistance) applied through a distance. Indeed it is negative work, which means it takes energy out of the system.
 

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