Absolute Value and Converting to Expanded Form: Explained

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The discussion revolves around the properties of absolute values, specifically the inequality involving an absolute value expression and a negative constant. Participants explore the implications of having an absolute value less than a negative number and how to express this in expanded form.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants question the validity of the inequality |f(x) - L| < -L, particularly when L is positive versus negative. They discuss the conversion of the absolute value inequality into its expanded form and the implications of the negative sign in the context of absolute values.

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Some participants have offered insights into the nature of absolute values and how they relate to positive and negative constants. There is an ongoing exploration of how the presence of the factor of 2 in the derived inequality affects its interpretation, with various perspectives being shared.

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Participants are considering the implications of L being positive or negative, and how this affects the validity of the original inequality. The discussion includes assumptions about the nature of absolute values and the constraints of the problem as posed.

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Just a general question with absolute values:

Is it possible to have an absolute value of this form:

| f(x) - L | < -L (the minus sign is meant to be there) and if so how can I convert it into expanded form? i.e: -L < f(x) - L < -L or something of that form.
 
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trap101 said:
Just a general question with absolute values:

Is it possible to have an absolute value of this form:

| f(x) - L | < -L (the minus sign is meant to be there) and if so how can I convert it into expanded form? i.e: -L < f(x) - L < -L or something of that form.

If L is meant to signify a positive number, then the inequality can't hold because no absolute value is negative. If L might be negative, then there is no problem. An inequality ##|f(x) - a|<b## is always equivalent to ##-b < f(x)-a<b##.
 
If L is negative, then your problem reduces to (substitute K = -L, K positive) |f(x) + K| &lt; K which holds if -2K &lt; f(x) &lt; 0.
 
lol_nl said:
If L is negative, then your problem reduces to (substitute K = -L, K positive) |f(x) + K| &lt; K which holds if -2K &lt; f(x) &lt; 0.




So the fact that there is a 2 with the K does not affect the inequality? Wouldn't I have to get rid of the 2 to make it a standard statement?
 
trap101 said:
So the fact that there is a 2 with the K does not affect the inequality? Wouldn't I have to get rid of the 2 to make it a standard statement?

Let me write it out more explicitly:
|f(x) + K| &lt; K means
-K &lt; f(x) + K &lt; K.
(compare with the first reply).
Now substract K from all three terms to get:
-2K &lt; f(x) &lt; 0.

Hence the 2 is simply the result of the calculation.
 
Ok, I was just confirming if that's all it meant. Thanks.
 

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