Absolute value of exponentials being multiplied

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of the absolute value squared of a complex wave function involving exponentials with imaginary terms. Participants explore the mathematical steps involved in this process, particularly focusing on the implications of complex conjugates and the application of Euler's identity.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about calculating the absolute value of a complex wave function, specifically how to handle the terms involving exponentials.
  • Another participant corrects the initial misunderstanding by stating that the absolute value squared of a complex function should be calculated as the product of the function and its complex conjugate.
  • A participant questions the reasoning behind the identity \( e^{-ia} \cdot e^{ia} = 1 \) and seeks clarification on how to demonstrate this property.
  • One participant presents a derived expression for the absolute value squared using Euler's identity but notes the absence of an imaginary sine term in the final result.
  • Another participant suggests that the cancellation of the sine term may be due to properties of sine and cosine functions, referencing the rules for multiplying powers.
  • There is a discussion about a potential error in a textbook regarding the presence of a time variable in the exponentials, which may affect the calculations.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the correctness of their solution, while another confirms that the sine terms should indeed cancel out.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correctness of the solution presented, as there are conflicting views regarding the cancellation of the sine terms and the potential errors in the textbook. The discussion remains unresolved on these points.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on the correct application of Euler's identity and the rules for multiplying complex exponentials. The discussion also highlights the need for careful handling of complex conjugates in calculations.

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I know this is an elementary question, but it has been some time since I multiplied exponentials, and with imaginary terms combined with absolute values, things get muddled up so easy that I want to clear this up

So if I have

$$ \Psi (x,t) = c_{1} \psi_{1} e^{- \frac {i E_{1}}{\hbar} t} + c_{2} \psi_{2} e^{- \frac {i E_{2}}{\hbar} t} $$

I want to find ##\mid \Psi (x,t) \mid^{2}##

Well, I suppose I will do ##\mid \Psi (x,t) \mid \mid \Psi (x,t) \mid##. My first problem is actually determining the absolute value of this quantity.

$$ \mid c_{1} \psi_{1} e^{- \frac {i E_{1}}{\hbar} t} + c_{2} \psi_{2} e^{- \frac {i E_{2}}{\hbar} t} \mid $$

But how to analyze this?
 
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Your definition of ##|\Psi(x,t)|^2## is not correct. Since ##\Psi## is complex, you need to evaluate ##\Psi^*\Psi##.
 
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I know this is dumb, but for a real ##a##, why is ##e^{-ia}*e^{ia} = 1##?? I don't know how to show this.
 
Short of just giving you the answer, think about the rules of multiplying terms with powers.
 
oh yeah, duh. I just get freaked out when I see complex numbers and absolute values :cry:
 
Okay, well I am almost good, but one part I haven't figured out.

I get the answer to be (using Euler's Identity)

$$c_{1}^{2} \psi_{1}^{2} + 2c_{1}c_{2} \psi_{1} \psi_{2} \Big [cos \Big ( \frac {E_{2}t}{\hbar} - \frac {E_{1}t}{\hbar} \Big ) + i \hspace {0.02 in} sin \Big ( \frac {E_{2}t}{\hbar} - \frac {E_{1}t}{\hbar} \Big ) \Big ] + c_{2}^{2} \psi_{2}^{2} $$

However, the answer has the term with ##i \hspace {0.02 in} sin (\theta)## missing. How did that term get cancelled?
 
I'll just cut to the chase and post the example/solution, how was the term with the imaginary number and sine cancelled??

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First off, and I know it's always bold to accuse a textbook of making errors, but the author seems to have missed a ##t## in the ##c_2## exponentials on the penultimate line.

To see the logic, explicitly multiply out the cross terms, remembering the rules for multiplying powers that we discussed earlier. Then use Euler's identity as given in the book, and remember that ##cos(\theta) = cos(-\theta)## and ##sin(\theta) = -sin(-\theta)##.
 
Does that mean my solution is correct?
 
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No the sine terms should still cancel.
 

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